Please stop making Eureka

[Hypnotic13371337]

Eureka, by some peoples thoughts, is successful for them. Glamours clearly havent been, due to all the complaining here on the forums.

...But Eureka is for nothing BUT Glamours...

[HyoMinPark]

I clearly remember the bold part. Do you have a quote for the rest ?

Just as mentioned in the patch notes, a long period of time will be required to complete Zodiac and Anima weapons, and they have been designed based on the idea that you will progress through the series at your own pace. Additionally, this content is strongly geared towards the element of time for players who are not into raids or other difficult content, or for those who wish to play solo.

There's also more on the Relics in that post; again, it gives the impression that the relic is geared toward those who do not raid so that they can also have a powerful weapon. Which would be the majority, since the majority do not participate in Savage but want strong gear for character progression.

Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3494765

Problem, the "current relic step" you mention was exactly one that you had a really hard time to do "solo" considering you needed Diadem ingredients, and the 8 crafting specialties. And that at that time, the tome weapon was already available for everyone without having to do "difficult content", and was on-par with the Anima.

This statement was made AFTER the release of the Unidentifiable Step for the Anima; meaning it was after the step that involved Diadem. The Unidentifiable step gave you an i210 weapon - the same as Gordias' weapon.

[Alleo]

The issue is that... this isn't true. Yoshida already stated that Eureka isn't intended to be for everyone. Reynhard provided a quote to that at some point. It's a fun one, because he compared it to a house of horrors, which is rather fitting.

I find that quote from him really strange. Taking so much time to produce it, talk about it, use it as a point to sell SB and put the relic behind it and yet suddenly its only meant as a small attraction for a niche part of the playerbase? No I cant believe that. Not when they have nerfed Pagos faster than any relic step before and not after they have started to put so much glamour and other items behind it..they are only doing that to content that they want to success otherwise why need so many carrots?

And if it was truly ever meant to be for a small playerbase...then maybe they should start to have different priorities..because that would leave SB without any new and innovative content for the majority of the playerbase..since we then would have only had Ultimate for the raiders and Eureka for another niche playerbase as "new".

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Honestly, if not for the relic I could have easily just written Eureka off as content that was not designed for me and aside from some annoyance at how much dev resources were invested in it (and continue to be invested in it), I would probably not have complained much. I mean I still wrote off Eureka as "content not designed for me", but the relic being locked behind it is the real stickler for me. I was looking forward to SB's relic... until the first time I set foot in Anemos. And while I managed to get my relic out of Anemos, it was far too painful for me to even consider doing any further Eureka stuff. I made that decision even before Pagos came out. Eureka is not designed for me, and not all content has to be, but having the relic gated behind Eureka removed content that should have been for me (a long term relic questline). Bottom line Eureka sucks, and it sucks more because ignoring Eureka also means not getting to do the relic questline.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And if it was truly ever meant to be for a small playerbase...then maybe they should start to have different priorities..because that would leave SB without any new and innovative content for the majority of the playerbase..since we then would have only had Ultimate for the raiders and Eureka for another niche playerbase as "new".

This is where I feel the "relic is midcore" argument falls apart. In fact, let's review 4.2 to the end of 4.3.

- MSQ
- Three dungeons
- Namazu
- Sigmascape Normal
- Ridorana
- Two Primals
- New recipes
- Kurenai
- A handful of side quests

Without Eureka, this is all you have. Since Yoshida himself lumps EX and Savage together, we can infer when he talks about more casual players, he doesn't mean EX Primals either. Therefore, even if people did everything else, you'd have content for a month... when these two respective patches lasted seven. It just makes little else the developers would lack this much foresight, or actually believe they've released enough content for the general playerbase if Eureka were considered "niche". If they do... we're in for a very rough expansion because people are already complaining about how bored they are.

[hynaku]

They need to with how bad the community is in there. Like today ones shouted that ones is on there way and they still pulled nm and didn't wait for ones that stay at entrance to raise dead players. How the community is don't think going stop raise ones anymore and just head for nm and leave them.

[Reynhart]

There's also more on the Relics in that post

Thanks for the quote

Which would be the majority, since the majority do not participate in Savage but want strong gear for character progression.

The majority already have access to a high level weapon with the tomestones.

This statement was made AFTER the release of the Unidentifiable Step for the Anima; meaning it was after the step that involved Diadem. The Unidentifiable step gave you an i210 weapon - the same as Gordias' weapon.

Also the same as the upgraded tome weapon that was made available for everyone 1 month earlier. At no step was the Anima weapon better that what you could obtain easier and faster, except for the very final one.

I find that quote from him really strange. Taking so much time to produce it, talk about it, use it as a point to sell SB and put the relic behind it and yet suddenly its only meant as a small attraction for a niche part of the playerbase?

Only my PoV, but I feel lots of people felt disappointed that the Zodiac and the Anima didn't receive truly dedicated content since 2.0. Putting emphasis on Eureka is a way to sooth that complain. Eureka is also one of the only content that goes outside the "basic formula", which is also a reccuring concern about the game.

Without Eureka, this is all you have.

You also have Heaven On High and Rathalos. But if you look at the seven months prior to Anemos, you don't have that much more content once you remove EX Primals, Savage and Ultimate. So I'd say this expansion feel a little dry as a whole. And that's from someone who is actually busy with Eureka.

[HyoMinPark]

The majority already have access to a high level weapon with the tomestones.

Also the same as the upgraded tome weapon that was made available for everyone 1 month earlier. At no step was the Anima weapon better that what you could obtain easier and faster, except for the very final one.

The existence of the welfare Tomestone weapon does not mean that, suddenly, the Relic wasn’t intended for the majority of players to participate in and achieve. Another point in that same post that I quoted for you is that the Relic also serves to give players a weapon that grows with them. Tome weapons don’t do that—the function of the relic is multi-faceted, but it’s still aimed at the general playerbase. Not this niche audience that people are trying to claim.

By shoving it into Eureka, it made Eureka aimed at them by default. And, as I’ve said many times, the Relic (and the other shinies) being in Eureka is the only reason people even touch the content, and that’s something I think the developers realized when they were creating the content.

Only my PoV, but I feel lots of people felt disappointed that the Zodiac and the Anima didn't receive truly dedicated content since 2.0. Putting emphasis on Eureka is a way to sooth that complain. Eureka is also one of the only content that goes outside the "basic formula", which is also a reccuring concern about the game.

Eureka doesn’t have anything deviating from any other forms of Relic grinds in past expansions though—we have FATE farming a la Atma/Crystal step, token farming (the Crystals) a la the i260 Anima step with the Singing Clusters, and then light farming (a la both Zodiac and Anima). The only “different” thing that was done, was requiring you to go to a new area for it...which they semi-attempted with the Anima relic with Diadem 1.0 (major foreshadowing there). So that’s not even unique.

[Wonkyfinger]

Love the game, hate Eureka. Of course, I also hated Eureka when it was called Final Fantasy XI.

[Esp]

As much as I bitch about how I am not going into Eureka again, I still don't think it's fair to just ask them to stop outright.

Sure a portion hate it, but there are people that are enjoying it. It's just not fair to rip the enjoyment from others just because some want it gone.

Don't go in and do something else if you don't agree with it, but still, let the others have their fun.