Trying to understand the negative posts I keep seeing about the Dev Team

[Simba_Tia]

While I haven't been a fan of stormblood in general, I think that's just a symptom of a long running game. I personally believe that when it comes to feedback dev teams need to be extremely about making changes on it. Just due to the fact you can't please everyone and people only really give feedback when they're not happy. Because of this they have to look at sub numbers to gauge how happy people actually are. Things turn into a mess if they try to implement everything that people say here on the forums. Especially when the people who post here probably represent a tiny fraction of the overall community. Every single game out there receives the complaint of lack of innovation. Though I feel like that's something that is easier said than done. Ignoring the fact that new ideas are hard enough as it is to constantly put out, it also means that there is going to have to be change. Something that people tend to despise. You look at wow and they changed their hotbar layout and people practically rioted. The job changes are also a bit of evidence of trying to be a bit more innovative only to piss people off because it isn't what it used to be. So they've got to be very slow as they make changes and see how people react to it rather than shocking players with massive changes. I also think people who call devs lazy are the ones that tend to be entitled. They don't understand everything the devs are up against, they don't seem to understand everything the devs are up against.

I can't imagine that SE will ever invest in the game more than they have to simply because of the reputation MMO'S have when it comes to profit. Which is understandable considering the number of them that have turned to be free to play. I kind of suspect even though it seems to be a successful mmo it isn't making a big profit to SE. Probably just more money in making new games compared to what an mmo will make. I don't know the cost of running and maintaining the game but I suspect that it's not a small amount. While it may look like they're making bank off thousands of people paying 14 dollars a month I can only imagine most of that has to go back into actually running the game. I can't imagine that SE or any investors they may have are going to be to willing to fork over the money to upgrade infrastructure when that money could be going to a new game that probably makes more money for cheaper.

I hate euraka but I kind of get the feeling that it is something meant for ffxi players, since if I remember correctly they shut that down? So it may have been created to appease those players to get them to migrate over. While I miss the days we were getting 3 dungeons an expansion, I look back and remember how out of the three they would release at the time one of them was always just terrible. I think reducing it to two has been beneficial in their efforts to make better dungeons, even if they are all extremely repetitive. I haven't had that. "Oh God, not stone vigil hm." Feeling for a long time. Well unless I get it in one of my other roulettes.

I do think they do listen, it just doesn't seem like it at times cause they have their limitations and have no choice but take it with a grain of salt as they have to work slow and careful to make changes as they look over all the other factors of what making changes based on that feedback would cause. Which frustrates players because if we don't like something we tend to want it now, and we don't care about what it would take. So it just gives the impression that they don't listen or are being lazy.

[Vahlnir]

I can't imagine that SE will ever invest in the game more than they have to simply because of the reputation MMO'S have when it comes to profit. Which is understandable considering the number of them that have turned to be free to play.

I hate euraka but I kind of get the feeling that it is something meant for ffxi players, since if I remember correctly they shut that down?

FF XIV is really the only MMO currently standing that kinda sorta maybe rivals WoW, but doesn't have anywhere near the numbers WoW does. It is extremely profitable especially with how much they add to the Mogstation on a weekly/monthly basis. There is no excuse for not investing. None.

As to this bit on FF XI...if their goal was to give people some FF XI nostalgia in the form of Eureka, they failed. Miserably. I would know, I was there. That game is still going, though it's basically in maintenance mode at this point. But it still requires a sub with maybe a couple hundred thousand players. FF XIV has at least double or triple that number. If they kept FF XI updated and added many QoL changes with half the subs FF XIV has for years, then there is no excuse for not doing the same with FF XIV. Seriously.

[Deceptus]

While I'm indeed a fledgling player that doesn't make me blind to problems even if they don't affect me the same way others do

Honestly, being a newer player your feedback is indeed valuable as you view things in a completely different scope than a lot of the veterans do. We are inherently jaded and cynical and often times loose sight of the good things SE does.

[MicahZerrshia]

While I'm indeed a fledgling player that doesn't make me blind to problems even if they don't affect me the same way others do

Besides,are you implying that the opinion of newcomers is somehow less valid than that of a veteran?Cuz theirs are just as important as veterans cuz if new players are looked down upon here then that's gonna make the community very stale and stagnant.You can't just cater to just the current players and ignore everything the newcomers say.

Wow I hit a nerve. I wasn't trying to be mean or say your points were not valid, I was just making a blanket statement about how much there seems to be for newer players vs vets.

This is also why I think ppl jump on others being toxic immediately when there were no such intentions. Just chill out and take a moment, you are on the internet and you need a tougher skin and need to read things without that antagonistic voice. I hurled no insults, no ridicule, no personal attacks, I did not say your feelings were not valid or that you shouldn't have an opinion, nothing of the sort. Was just making a statement that's said vets may have a different perspective because this game does seem to have an overwhelming amount of content if you are new but very little and very repetitive if you are not and that is where a lot of the criticism of the dev team stems from.

Obviously there are some issues at play here on your side of the kb. But just know, I was not being a "toxic" player or "elitest" or w/e word your mind went immediately too due to past experiences or more personal issues. But know, I was not mad at you, I was not being insulting or antagonistic. Try reading that (and this) again in a nice, conversational tone instead of a school yard bully one and you may see a difference. I wasn't on the attack at all but I am also not going to take responsibility for hurt feelings because you want to think I am being a bully, that is squarely on you.

There is only so much we can do via text and tone is entirely in the readers head. There is nothing I can do about that.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

Wow I hit a nerve. I wasn't trying to be mean or say your points were not valid, I was just making a blanket statement about how much there seems to be for newer players vs vets.

This is also why I think ppl jump on others being toxic immediately when there were no such intentions. Just chill out and take a moment, you are on the internet and you need a tougher skin and need to read things without that antagonistic voice. I hurled no insults, no ridicule, no personal attacks, I did not say your feelings were not valid or that you shouldn't have an opinion, nothing of the sort. Was just making a statement that's said vets may have a different perspective because this game does seem to have an overwhelming amount of content if you are new but very little and very repetitive if you are not and that is where a lot of the criticism of the dev team stems from.

Obviously there are some issues at play here on your side of the kb. But just know, I was not being a "toxic" player or "elitest" or w/e word your mind went immediately too due to past experiences or more personal issues. But know, I was not mad at you, I was not being insulting or antagonistic. Try reading that (and this) again in a nice, conversational tone instead of a school yard bully one and you may see a difference. I wasn't on the attack at all but I am also not going to take responsibility for hurt feelings because you want to think I am being a bully, that is squarely on you.

There is only so much we can do via text and tone is entirely in the readers head. There is nothing I can do about that.

My apologies if I came off as aggressive....I didn't intend to do that.

I'm just not that good at formulating my thoughts properly before letting them out

[azura84]

FF XIV is really the only MMO currently standing that kinda sorta maybe rivals WoW, but doesn't have anywhere near the numbers WoW does.

actually based on the data from http://www.warcraftrealms.com/ and https://ffxivcensus.com/ the active player base is very similar, around 550~650k characters.

But yes, they definitely failed with Eureka as they did with Daidem but they are trying to force feed us Eureka now.

[Arkdra]

The dev team is good but they need to just accept that time spent trying to make Diadem or anything like Diadem a thing is a huge waste of everyone's time.

[SerLuke]

I started playing the game when Heavnsward came out(I remember downloading the trial on my PS3 and loving it so much I went out and got a PS4 and a copy of the game then there was a 24 hour maintenance where I couldn't play lol), I realize some people have been playing since ARR launch and even before during 1.x but I'd like to think I've at least played the game for a decent amount of time. I used to play FFXI for several years and I feel like I can at least know what I like about this game over that one.

[Lannden]

After taking a short sojourn back to WoW for the new expansion and seeing how bad things could be, I actually have a difficult time really complaining about the FFXIV dev team. My one major complaint is one that I have had since HW and others in this thread have mentioned as well, I wish the team would step out of their comfort zone.

I feel like I have been playing the exact same content since late 2014 just with a new coat of paint. It has come to the point where I can predict the general flow of a savage fight, the exact number of trash packs in a dungeon and how many between each boss, and even the map layout of the dungeons to some extent. Even the flow of .0 patch of expansions is incredibly predictable at this point, which is a major flaw in my eyes. I still have fun with it, but it is all just kind of samey at this point.

Even when they do step out of their comfort zone, they tend to just keep using those ideas, with Eureka just being Diadem 2.0 or 3.0 depending on how you look at it. There is nothing wrong with that, but I sure hope 5.0 has either Diadem 4.0 and something totally new, or they just scrape the Diadem model completely to add something new.

[Stormfur]

No... please....not more Diadem...not more mindless FATES.... please!