The whale mount is up on Mogstation

[Deceptus]

I was expecting the Lunar Whale music from IV.

That would have made way too much sense.

[Dirwen]

This is incorrect. As consumers, this is a business practice that has succeeded because people have fallen for it, and has shaped business models worldwide for the worse. It affects us all.

Since it's already bad then SE should bite the bullet and make gil buyable on mogstation. Tired of seeing rmt shouts every time I zone into town. Gil is mostly only useful for vanity items anyway just like the mogstation so I don't see the problem.

[Sigma-Astra]

This is incorrect. As consumers, this is a business practice that has succeeded because people have fallen for it, and has shaped business models worldwide for the worse. It affects us all.

How have people fallen for it? If people have $30 dollars to spend on something and they want to spend it, they'll spend it. They didn't fall for anything unless all of the sudden the price at checkout somehow bumps up to $60.

To fall for something would imply that they've been tricked into buying it which isn't the case since I'm pretty sure anyone buying something from the Mogstation realizes what they're buying and are perfectly okay with buying it for whatever personal reason that they may have.

What people do with their own money doesn't affect you as a consumer. Someone spending $100 in a grocery store on select items that you may think might be too pricey for the brand does not affect you, someone spending $30 on a virtual whale still does not affect you either. It's not your place to judge or butt in.

[MomomiMomi]

How have people fallen for it? If people have $30 dollars to spend on something and they want to spend it, they'll spend it. They didn't fall for anything unless all of the sudden the price at checkout somehow bumps up to $60.

To fall for something would imply that they've been tricked into buying it which isn't the case since I'm pretty sure anyone buying something from the Mogstation realizes what they're buying and are perfectly okay with buying it for whatever personal reason that they may have.

What people do with their own money doesn't affect you as a consumer. Someone spending $100 in a grocery store on select items that you may think might be too pricey for the brand does not affect you, someone spending $30 on a virtual whale still does not affect you either. It's not your place to judge or butt in.

It's double dipping, and people are falling for it. In the past, a subscription meant that you would gain access to everything the game has to offer. That's not the case anymore, because companies have realized they can get people to double dip.

[Hestzhyen]

How have people fallen for it? If people have $30 dollars to spend on something and they want to spend it, they'll spend it. They didn't fall for anything unless all of the sudden the price at checkout somehow bumps up to $60.

What people do with their own money doesn't affect you as a consumer. Someone spending $100 in a grocery store on select items that you may think might be too pricey for the brand does not affect you, someone spending $30 on a virtual whale still does not affect you either. It's not your place to judge or butt in.

Thanks for your repeated PSAs but just like you're vociferously defending people we're allowed to wish that scummy tactics like having a F2P style cash shop in a sub MMO didn't work.

People value money differently, obviously- some of us know when we're getting ripped off and don't support the scam, others don't care and just slap the bills down on the counter because they want the shiny. If people want to waste two month's worth of sub on a mount that's on them, but because they keep doing it we keep seeing more crap like paid DLC, cash shops + subs, "season passes", even loot crates and gachas. It makes the game worse to have it compartmentalized and priced just right to entice big spending in small amounts. I miss the days when I could buy a game and have the whole dang thing until an expansion pack came out. Now I have to buy a game and choose between getting jipped for content or jipped out of money. It sucks, and I have people who support those business models to thank for that state of affairs. XIV is just one example of it in the wider scheme of things.

[Zephera]

People value money differently, obviously- some of us know when we're getting ripped off and don't support the scam, others don't care and just slap the bills down on the counter because they want the shiny.

What scam? You're getting exactly what you're paying for.

[Sigma-Astra]

Thanks for your repeated PSAs but just like you're vociferously defending people we're allowed to wish that scummy tactics like having a F2P style cash shop in a sub MMO didn't work.

People value money differently, obviously- some of us know when we're getting ripped off and don't support the scam, others don't care and just slap the bills down on the counter because they want the shiny. If people want to waste two month's worth of sub on a mount that's on them, but because they keep doing it we keep seeing more crap like paid DLC, cash shops + subs, "season passes", even loot crates and gachas. It makes the game worse to have it compartmentalized and priced just right to entice big spending in small amounts. I miss the days when I could buy a game and have the whole dang thing until an expansion pack came out. Now I have to buy a game and choose between getting jipped for content or jipped out of money. It sucks, and I have people who support those business models to thank for that state of affairs. XIV is just one example of it in the wider scheme of things.

I never said that you couldn't hate on the Cash Shop. But, hating on people for buying something that makes them happy? That just makes you sound incredibly petty and controlling.

You can complain all you want about the Cash Shop, but unfortunately it's never going to go away, so it feels like a lot of hot air being wasted on an issue that SE will never fix merely because you find the idea unfair after how many years of it working.

Again, it's not your place to tell others what makes them happy, so maybe invest all of that time you spend worrying what others are doing and find other things that make yourself happy instead. :P

[MomomiMomi]

What scam? You're getting exactly what you're paying for.

But what you're paying for has changed. The goal posts have been moved, and people just accept it.

[Sigma-Astra]

It's double dipping, and people are falling for it. In the past, a subscription meant that you would gain access to everything the game has to offer. That's not the case anymore, because companies have realized they can get people to double dip.

No one is falling for it, if people want to spend their money, they'll do it. And guess what? They don't care what you want at all because it's not your money.

[Zephera]

But what you're paying for has changed. The goal posts have been moved, and people just accept it.

And there's really nothing wrong with it, because if you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. No one has a gun to your head forcing you to fork over the cash for it.