Can we discuss how abusive the GM department is when it comes to 'Grief Tactics'? A

[Spiroth]

Ignorance is bliss. That's what I tell myself on the subject. As to why people hate them, it's because SE won't let them go. New event? Fates. New zones? Fates. New content? Let's slap some Fates on those too. SE, stop. They aren't fun and they are not interesting.

Yes they are fun, and are interesting.
They are on the spot battles that usually involve little sketches before they spawn, unique lore, give decent exp, scale to number of people that participate, often times have unique drops, have awesome music, and can be synced at appropriate level (what the Hunt lacks imo). Plus they can be set as a chain to have a little event.

The multi chain FATE at Azim Steppe is probably the #1 best content in the game imo.
Same with the Fox FATE that is multipart with awesome story, and it ties with the 4 Lords Story.

[Fynlar]

You can't judge a rotation without a parser, because the other person can claim that his rotation style is better.
Constant deaths by being hit by mechanics is something else. But if he isn't being hit by mechanics you can't kick him for underperforming.

I don't need a parser to know that the RDM in my party using Riposte over and over without ever casting anything is underperforming.

[Vahlnir]

I don't need a parser to know that the RDM in my party using Riposte over and over without ever casting anything is underperforming.

Yep, exactly.

[Alleo]

That's why things like Provoke don't work on them. And if they generated so much agro that they were in a position to pull that griefing, they're probably getting the credit anyway.

Hm true then another example, what if someone resets it out of pure spite because they dislike the group that pulled? Or wants to troll, or wants to put others first while punishing the rest. If these are grief tactics than any such actions should be counted as grief because as the GM in the other thread had stated, no matter the intent you are still intentionally hurting other people with that.

[Kurando]

You can't judge a rotation without a parser, because the other person can claim that his rotation style is better.
Constant deaths by being hit by mechanics is something else. But if he isn't being hit by mechanics you can't kick him for underperforming.

If I remember correctly though, SE accepts that players have different playstyles when it comes to the game. So if a party decides to kick another player because they aren't performing they way the majority of them expect, then a kick is actually justified. Those DPS not using Diversion, yep we can kick them, that Healer not DPSing, yep we can kick them too.

[Thamorian]

If I remember correctly though, SE accepts that players have different playstyles when it comes to the game. So if a party decides to kick another player because they aren't performing they way the majority of them expect, then a kick is actually justified. Those DPS not using Diversion, yep we can kick them, that Healer not DPSing, yep we can kick them too.

Player resets S rank because someone pulled early* should count as different playstyles too and be allowed!

*early in that the ones who did the work to spawn decided to give 2 minutes for people to show up and someone pulled after only 20 seconds

[Kurando]

Player resets S rank because someone pulled early* should count as different playstyles too and be allowed!

*early in that the ones who did the work to spawn decided to give 2 minutes for people to show up and someone pulled after only 20 seconds

I wasn't specifically talking about hunts but the original conversation about parsing and rotations, though thanks for your contribution, not sure if you are being sarcastic or not.

[Thamorian]

I wasn't specifically talking about hunts but the original conversation about parsing and rotations, though thanks for your contribution, not sure if you are being sarcastic or not.

I was being serious. People who did the work to spawn a S rank did not have to call out the S rank and let other people participate in the kill. GM's should not be punishing the spawners when they reset a S rank when a early puller complains, especially when the early puller would not of even been there to pull early had the spawners not called out the hunt. So spawners resetting a S rank should count as different playstyles and be allowed.

[Stormfur]

I think the issue is, even if you helped (or you alone) spawned it, you don't own "it". Even if you reset it out of the kindness of your heart, there's always going to be that one player who doesn't arrive until seconds after the thing dies who gets their panties in a wad over it and reports it as a griefing tactic. Nobody's going to look through logs and decide that "person A spawned this, so they have a "right" to reset it for others" vs. those who did not.

[Fynlar]

I was being serious. People who did the work to spawn a S rank did not have to call out the S rank and let other people participate in the kill. GM's should not be punishing the spawners when they reset a S rank when a early puller complains, especially when the early puller would not of even been there to pull early had the spawners not called out the hunt. So spawners resetting a S rank should count as different playstyles and be allowed.

I'm sure GMs really don't care about who spawned a S rank.