Regarding that Finaland Interview...

[Alleo]

But for housing, during HW, (2 years with NO wards added ! ) i many time said the matters was personnal housing, and i would applause a cancellation of it. YES players/customers would be angry to not being able to use houses anymore. yes. me first, i have two account from ARR and both did get houses. But prefered loosing this, to see all player on the same line, seeing all FC getting houses. And getting improvment on appartment (doing size x3. or being abe to get different size. )

I agree with a lot of your points but them taking out personal houses (and taking them away from people) would have been a catastrophe. (IMO) Heck even when they for a short amount of time introduced the new housing rules they did not take away the houses from those that owned too many.

For me they should introduce private instanced housing. With all the sizes and zones available. It would be awesome if we could buy a L house in each zone since its instanced thus people could own quite a lot of houses, while at the same time the wards still exist but instead of taking the houses away they just stop people from buying more private ones for the future and maybe give a compensation for everyone that switches their private house from wards directly to an instance. On top of that give FCs access to workshops in some city states and gardening plots in Gridania for everyone to use.

This way a FC does not need a house to get access to all the things behind it, people can all have as many big houses as housing zones exists. (Right now that would be like 4 large houses) And they would not lose it and have a huge gil sink on top of that. I would gladly give up my personal and FC house for that. But I would not give them up for something like an apartment.

I wish people who complain about having to stay subbed because they are bored/hate the game would just unsub already and give someone who still loves the game a chance at homeownership. SE makes the terms and we either abide by them or we disgree and take our money/time elsewhere.

I am quite sure that those that complain that the timer is bad if they want to take a break are just exactly wanting that: A break. Which means that they plan to return to the game. I mean we are not talking about a timer that is 90 days long or more, but something as short as 45 days which amounts to a bit more than one month breaks. Seeing how a patch takes at least 3 months to come out than this is way too low. Someone could have played the game for years constantly, own a house but just want to take one break between two patches. They simply cant..because that would be too long and they will lose their house that they have might used quite a lot and had planned to use it again after the break. Why would someone else deserve it more than them?

[Aerlana]

I agree with a lot of your points but them taking out personal houses (and taking them away from people) would have been a catastrophe. (IMO) Heck even when they for a short amount of time introduced the new housing rules they did not take away the houses from those that owned too many.

If they did it, it would be a hard decision, with a lot angry people, and even if i think it would be 1-2 week of raging on forum, it wouldnt be a so hard result on long term. And i just said "personnal houses are matter" not "forbidden to give players anything else as substitute or compensation"
There is as you say the instanced housing for personnal houses as idea. or working better on appartment (lets say, S like now. M = 4 time the size we have now, and L = 2 level appartment... those are example)

ALSO, they wouldnt do it ("cancel" Personnal Houses after releases it) for a reason even more silly : they did add personnal housing, knowing it would create all those matters. How i know? I think they are able to do simple mathematics (they know the activity on each servers, the population of each)
If you do a such big mistake, you dont want to go back after... Even if you have an idea to compensate...


Note : that instanced housing/appartment for CHARACTERS (not FC) would be a REAL way to get living neiborghood. i think we have too much houses for only FC now. (i think without proof, but... i dont think many servers get more than 4k activ FC... ... )
More wards = more spread of population = less living wards. But wards defined only with FC needs, it will concentrate people (a FC is generally more than 1 guy...) AND the instanced link to the same wards (like appartment we have now) could add even more people in the area. (because it will add all non-FC people in those)

So, the same thing solve 2 matters... sad to not doing it v_v"


(simple mathematics i speak : )

(they know the activity on each servers, the population of each (with inactiv character that could become activ), and the number of houses is easy to count... 540 at personnal houses release, 2160 during HW, 2880 at 4.1, 4320 today. For activity, luckybansho helps us to get an idea of how much character are activ per server... 550k activ people, 66 servers => 8.3k per server.)

About simple mathematics. we can easily count how much houses :
1080 at personnal houses release (or not sure if houses 31=>60 did existe at 2.38 or added just after but not a real difference)
2160 during HW,
2880 at 4.1,
4320 today

They know how much character, FC. they can have a quite excellent idea of the activ part.
With luckybansho scan, we can see 550k activ character (600+ on period with the 96h free login... so i am more looking on the others results)
66 servers => 8k5-9k activ character per server (activ from luckybansho : getting at least 1 more minion/mount/level in any job between 2 scan)

In reality, most japanese server are under this, and european/american server are many time over (with high spike for ragnarok/balmung and other like those) ... But easier ton consider same for all

We see that we have 1 house now for 2 activ character. and there is the FC matter then...

SO YES they did the mistake knowing it was a mistake.

I wish people who complain about having to stay subbed because they are bored/hate the game would just unsub already and give someone who still loves the game a chance at homeownership. SE makes the terms and we either abide by them or we disgree and take our money/time elsewhere.

The destruction is for making people paying subscription (hard to translate other way the answers in this interview... and remember they did ask the questions due to the "take a break" that Yoshida himself invite us to do ! )
AND to get a TURNOVER on houses possession.

so "stop playing with this, please, leave it a little to this other child, he wants to play with it too"
"YEAH, it is MY TURN to play with it"





But as i said : those answers, the housing, and other matters in the game are only different symptoms of one ill. If the Yoshida mentality, and his team mentality about one of the matters change to fit more to what we, players and customers, are waiting, many other thing will also change. It is my thoughts. The "ill" is, for me, they dont think enough with player's mind.

[Bahati]

It would seem SE would rather give the opportunity to have a house to someone paying them rather than someone who is not paying them. Is this that wild of a concept considering there is not enough housing available for all?

[LineageRazor]

This would be one route to go down. I suppose I should clarify: a proper response would involve a promise to get rid of the current* demolition system as soon as possible. FFXIV, by Yoshi-P's own admission, is not built around continuous play, particularly for people who have dozens of hours a week to commit to a game. It stands to reason that game systems should avoid punishing people for sporadic subscription drops wherever possible.

I think you're reading way too much into Yoshi's statement. While he encourages people not to get so caught up in the game that they neglect their family, friends, or personal well-being, don't read into that that he expects players to drop their subscriptions to play other games. Take a break from the game? Sure. Take a break from their subscriptions? No MMO producer would ever encourage such a thing - at least, not as more than a propaganda stunt. Companies that provide MMOs want players to be constantly subscribed to THEIR game, not constantly flitting off to other games as the whim hits them.

For the same reason that they maintain character levels, mount and minion lists, Mog Station items, Glamours, etc: if returning players have little incentive to resubscribe, then the game's bottom line will suffer. Speaking personally, if any life event pushes me to abandon my subscription long enough to lose my house, I'll most likely never be coming back. It is a significant in-game possession for me; in many ways *the* most significant since, unlike character levels or gear, a house sits outside the progression treadmill. It's not in SE's interest for a short-term break to turn into a permanent subscription loss.

Character data is inactive data. It can be stored on a dusty spool of magnetic tape for decades at low cost and no inconvenience to other players. Housing is a horse of an entirely different color, for as long as it remains a limited resource.

As for your claim that you'd not return to the game if you lost your house - well, it sounds like you have a very loose attachment to this game. I've seen many in the forums complain about losing their house upon returning to the game - but none claimed to have thrown up their hands and quit because of it. They all decided the game was worth playing, even with the loss of their house. In all likelihood, returning players who use the status of their house as a deciding factor are a lesser population than players who get frustrated because there's no housing available and quit for that reason.

I'm curious as to why you think demolition is desirable, by the way. I agree that it's necessary right now from a supply limitation point of view, but there are better ways of maintaining populated wards for those who want living neighborhoods (as I said above, I strongly suspect that the current demolition system actually worsens this issue). Thoughts?

I take the opposite view. By making housing a volatile resource that requires care and maintenance, it discourages people who might buy a house simply because buying a house is something they can do. The folks who buy a house are those who actually care about the house, and will therefore be more likely to visit it, keep it up with furnishings, and so on and so forth. They will actually visit the thing from time to time, and in so doing will help keep the neighborhood lively.

As for better ways than demolition to clear out dead houses, what do you propose? Should neglected houses be shuffled around to other districts periodically? This would be functionally similar to my idea of reinstating housing when a player returns to the game - and is just as dependent on having unlimited wards to shuffle houses to...

[Theodric]

At the end of the day if people want to hold themselves hostage to ensure that they don't lose their in-game house then that is, ultimately, on them. The ideal solution would be for everybody to have access to player housing - which could be done in a number of different ways. Perhaps the most efficient method would be to expand the size and functionality of apartments.

Until that happens the demolition function is a necessary evil. To be honest, I think there's a lot of people who don't even use their house very often and simply keep a hold of it for the sake of bragging rights. When I owned a house in-game I never saw my neighbours...nor did I ever see them shift their decorations around to suggest that they were actively using it and adding new furnishings that happened to take their fancy. I'd take a peek every now and then to check out of curiosity. Obviously they were entering their house to prevent the timer from expiring, though they didn't seem to actual do much with the place beyond that.

[Aerlana]

the fun fact.
You can keep your house if you sub 6 month a year.
And a people subbing 10 month a row and do a break for 2 month... is fucked up...



But i think most pro demo-system are against getting instanced personnal housing...


Fun when most other MMORPG get "housing for all" and FFXIV, with all the players cant... really fun... Even more fun when you see it doesnt bother yoshida at all.
he even thinks it is what makes FFXIV better than other MMORPGs
https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._and_soken_at/

I think that in order to prevent other MMOs from catching up, we should flesh out what it means to "live" in the world of FFXIV with things that only FFXIV can do, like Perform and the housing roleplay stuff.

[Kirsten_Rev]

I think you're reading way too much into Yoshi's statement. While he encourages people not to get so caught up in the game that they neglect their family, friends, or personal well-being, don't read into that that he expects players to drop their subscriptions to play other games. Take a break from the game? Sure. Take a break from their subscriptions? No MMO producer would ever encourage such a thing - at least, not as more than a propaganda stunt. Companies that provide MMOs want players to be constantly subscribed to THEIR game, not constantly flitting off to other games as the whim hits them.

This is certainly possible. However, if this is the case, SE is flatly not earning my subscription. The content design for FFXIV isn't deep enough to occupy the roughly 30 hours of play time per week that I have available to me - nowhere close. XIV's content aims to provide something of interest to everyone in a broad audience, which naturally means they don't tend to provide a lot of interest to any particular group. I've always interpreted Yoshi-P's statements on this matter within this context, which imply to me that he's aware people will likely take breaks, and aims to generally make this painless for players (if not something he'd recommend).

Incidentally, XIV's lengthy efforts to ensure players can readily catch up to the current content cycle also provide evidence that they're aware players will likely take breaks. So whether or not Yoshi-P was recommending subscription breaks from time to time, I think he's aware they're inevitable, and housing is the one area in which SE imposes significant penalties on players for doing so. It stands to reason a long-term goal should be to eliminate this anomaly.

Character data is inactive data. It can be stored on a dusty spool of magnetic tape for decades at low cost and no inconvenience to other players. Housing is a horse of an entirely different color, for as long as it remains a limited resource.

As for your claim that you'd not return to the game if you lost your house - well, it sounds like you have a very loose attachment to this game. I've seen many in the forums complain about losing their house upon returning to the game - but none claimed to have thrown up their hands and quit because of it. They all decided the game was worth playing, even with the loss of their house. In all likelihood, returning players who use the status of their house as a deciding factor are a lesser population than players who get frustrated because there's no housing available and quit for that reason.

Character data isn't exactly inactive. At any time, someone can choose to resubscribe and be accessing that data within five minutes. It's very much stored in a ready state. It's really not so different. I agree that it being a limited resource imposes a different set of considerations for now: my point was that SE should have a long-term goal of eliminating this resource limitation.

As for the other, I'm sure you're right for some. I do wonder how long those returning players stick around though, particularly if they can't find a new house to purchase. In any event, I can only speak definitively on my own perspective.

I take the opposite view. By making housing a volatile resource that requires care and maintenance, it discourages people who might buy a house simply because buying a house is something they can do. The folks who buy a house are those who actually care about the house, and will therefore be more likely to visit it, keep it up with furnishings, and so on and so forth. They will actually visit the thing from time to time, and in so doing will help keep the neighborhood lively.

As for better ways than demolition to clear out dead houses, what do you propose? Should neglected houses be shuffled around to other districts periodically? This would be functionally similar to my idea of reinstating housing when a player returns to the game - and is just as dependent on having unlimited wards to shuffle houses to...

Firstly, I think the volatility argument is a little bit unrealistic. I'd agree if there were multiple meaningful Gil sinks in XIV, but I know for myself, the first house I bought was sort of a 'why not' decision. I similarly snagged a large for my small friends-only FC as a 'why not' decision. I had enough Gil, I couldn't see that there would ever be a use for it, and so I snatched up property. If, on the other hand, there were a half-dozen other solid uses for my money, I'd have only purchased housing if I really prioritized housing over everything else - thereby lending weight to your volatility argument. I honestly didn't consider the subscription implications at the time of purchase, because I wasn't bored at that point in my XIV career. It's only now that the house is an integral part of my in-game experience, an experience I want a break from, that I'm chafing.

As for better approaches to neighborhoods, I think the key is an opt-in system. SE built the housing system without regard to player preference, and I think that's why the idea of neighborhoods fell apart. One player might just like interior decorating, but nevertheless is a hermit; another might just want convenient merchants; a third might want access to the FC Workshop or advanced actions. No matter what systems SE imposes - demolition, monthly rents, what have you - the neighborhood feeling was doomed the split-second SE implemented a system that forced neighborhood types together with hermits who just wanted a house.

For neighborhoods to truly work, I think SE must make it voluntary, a choice that does not offer extra supplies of housing or other benefits. These neighborhoods should actually carry with them mechanisms to ensure turnover of people who are not fully adhering to the neighborhood goal (demo system for inactivity; maybe monthly rents in Gil). I'd suggest they also block out the ability to restrict access to your house's interior areas, so as to foster more of an open feel. Anyone welcoming the idea of a neighborhood can elect to purchase (or move) their house into this system as availability arises.

Moreover, had SE designed this system in a more intelligent and forward-thinking fashion, these neighborhoods would have been the only wards. All other housing would have been individual private instances. 'Demolition' in a neighborhood sense would simply relegate you back to an individual instance. Nobody seeking a relatively private house would be forced to participate, and turnover would be ensured to limit the number of inactive players at any given time. Even at this late stage, however, the introduction of instanced housing coupled with new, harsher requirements on staying in the Wards would quickly improve the neighborhood feel. Couple that with some structured game events at peak evening hours within the neighborhoods, and I think we'd have a remarkable setup that punishes nobody while ensuring a truly social housing system for the vast majority who want it.

It would seem SE would rather give the opportunity to have a house to someone paying them rather than someone who is not paying them. Is this that wild of a concept considering there is not enough housing available for all?

It's a bit of a wild concept, and not a pleasant one. MMOs have long implemented various bonuses as carrots to encourage players to stay subscribed (content updates, consecutive subscription bonuses, discounts for larger chunks of subscription time purchased, etc.), but I've never seen one use a stick. Certainly it's SE's decision if they want to try this, but I know if at any point I discovered it was an intentional decision rather than the artifact of a bone-headed development choice some years ago, I'd quit on general principle, and likely never buy another SE MMO again. I expect entertainment companies to compete to earn my dollar, rather than threaten punishments of a sort if I don't continue to buy into their ecosystem.

[Amariel34]

"I think that in order to prevent other MMOs from catching up, we should flesh out what it means to "live" in the world of FFXIV with things that only FFXIV can do, like Perform and the housing roleplay stuff. "

Um.... Has he SEEN Lord of the Rings Online? While not too popular is has a music system that is pretty amazing. If anyone wants an idea, look on youtube for something called Weatherstock. It's a HUGE musical event that players put on in the game every year. Compared to that Perform is rather simple.

[Skivvy]

"I think that in order to prevent other MMOs from catching up, we should flesh out what it means to "live" in the world of FFXIV with things that only FFXIV can do, like Perform and the housing roleplay stuff. "

Um.... Has he SEEN Lord of the Rings Online? While not too popular is has a music system that is pretty amazing. If anyone wants an idea, look on youtube for something called Weatherstock. It's a HUGE musical event that players put on in the game every year. Compared to that Perform is rather simple.

GW2 has a very similar system to XIV as well. And then there is Archeage. That game uses an MML system, so you're not exactly playing "live", but it's a lot of fun. Spent many nights performing songs with my small group of people.

[Alleo]

If they did it, it would be a hard decision, with a lot angry people, and even if i think it would be 1-2 week of raging on forum, it wouldnt be a so hard result on long term. And i just said "personnal houses are matter" not "forbidden to give players anything else as substitute or compensation"

I am quite sure that taking away personal houses without something else for it (like instanced personal houses) would create more fire than just a bit of 1-2 week raging. Remember how the forum was on fire when Shirogane started and people were not able to get plots for different reasons? How other sites talked about this and how they even gave us much more wards (thus houses) afterwards? That was not a small fire and they needed to react to that. Now I cant see how taking away someones house because SE made a mistake by creating a bad system would be good. Honestly it feels like the majority of the houses are privates ones thus a huge amount of people would lose their house. That would be such a huge PR disaster and who knows how many people would simply stop their sub. If they did that and force people out of it I would probably also stop playing because I would feel that this would not be respectful at all. Thats why I pointed out that any change should have good instanced housing before that and be a choice that people can make. (Some do enjoy the ward system for their personal houses)

It would seem SE would rather give the opportunity to have a house to someone paying them rather than someone who is not paying them. Is this that wild of a concept considering there is not enough housing available for all?

So someone that has played the game for years and takes one longer break is less important than maybe a person that plays it for a couple of months and get a house but might also stop after a time? Or what about those that do pay but cant log in for certain reasons? I mean if its only about paying then people could at least still buy a sub and not lose it but you have to be in the game on your plot on top of that. And there are cases that would lose their house even if they are paying for it..