I feel it's time for more housing wards again

[MaybeOliverB]

What was wrong with housing in the first place? People only started complaining when personal houses came in.

[MizArai]

yet they are too busy adding stuff that no one really cares about, such as platform jumping as GATE mini game.

I actually know quite a few people who LOVE the new jumping puzzle GATE. My boyfriend and I try to do it as often as we can to help show SE that there are people out there who love it and want more stuff like that. Just because you don't like something (or wouldn't do something in the case of leaving an "RP server" for housing) doesn't mean that others feel the same way. We all have our own opinions. SE has the very difficult job of trying to make as many of us happy as possible. Which is why they will probably focus on things like expanding apartments instead of giving us more wards (especially when so many servers don't need them).

[Aldotsk]

2.1 - housing prices were 10x more expensive than current price.
2.3 - prices were slightly reduced by 3rd but wards were only 8 and subdivision didnt exist this time.
2.4 - subdivision happened
3.3 - additional wards up to 10.
4.1 - shirogane happened you know how disastrous this was
4.2 - wards up to 8 happened.

2.1 should have started with instance

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y-for-purchase

So apparently the random hidden timer is considered a bug by accepting the thread. So I guess the devs admit they have an issue and gonna check this out. Housing has a lot of problems

[Aldotsk]

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Except you had been in Housing forum attacking RPers for complaining about housing for very long time. So I kind of dont take your opinions seriously. SE is not trying hard. They are busy working on other games.

Also you can tell me otherwise but glamour dressing is limited to 200 and it took two patches for them to know their mistakes.

It is still using spaghetti codes from 1.0 and it is reaching limits. They need to use entirely new engine.

[MaybeOliverB]

2.1 - housing prices were 10x more expensive than current price.

Yeah exactly, housing was great at the beginning.

[MizArai]

Except you had been in Housing forum attacking RPers for complaining about housing for very long time. So I kind of dont take your opinions seriously.

Um, I'm sorry, you either have me confused with someone else or you have greatly misunderstood something I've said in the past. I don't attack RPers. I'm fascinated by them. I wish that every server had a better RP base, because having most of the base on 2-3 servers isn't that great of an idea.

I think the worst thing I've said about RPers in the past is that if they want a house then they either need to be camping aethers every hour on the hour to see if something demo'd or else they need to transfer servers. There are lots of servers with small RP communities, and it would be great to have some people transfer from Balmung to other servers to help them grow (like what happened with Mateus, but that seems to have gone a little far).

2.1 - housing prices were 10x more expensive than current price.
2.3 - prices were slightly reduced by 3rd but wards were only 8 and subdivision didnt exist this time.
2.4 - subdivision happened
3.3 - additional wards up to 10.
4.1 - shirogane happened you know how disastrous this was
4.2 - wards up to 8 happened.

3.3 added wards 9-12, not upto 10. And we have 18 wards now, not 8. Also, you're completely neglecting apartments being added. I think you also missed a second price reduction, since prices used to be based on how much gil was on a server (3 different pricing tiers), and now the prices are the same for every server.

[Aldotsk]

Yeah exactly, housing was great at the beginning.

I am just gonna assume you are extremely trolling at this point by saying that since the most expensive housing was 320 million gil.

3.3 added wards 9-12, not upto 10. And we have 18 wards now, not 8. Also, you're completely neglecting apartments being added. I think you also missed a second price reduction, since prices used to be based on how much gil was on a server (3 different pricing tiers), and now the prices are the same for every server.

You are not really proving me anything wrong by trying to correct something by difference of 2 wards.

You are just proving my point that apartments are still storage rooms with no gardening nor outdoor furnishing access, as well as wards not being enough.

[Jojoya]

yet they are too busy adding stuff that no one really cares about, such as platform jumping as GATE mini game.

You really need to stop assuming that how you feel about things is how everyone else feels. Learn to use phrases like "I feel", "I want" and "I don't care" instead of trying to speak for everyone.

There is a large segment of the player base that loves the jumping puzzles and has been asking SE to add more, which is why SE is and will continue to be adding more. I doubt that the developers who work on the jumping puzzles are in charge of housing so it's not impacting changes to the housing system.

You are not asking for improvements to the system by saying servers should be shut down and/or more wards added. Ward design is considered to be one of the core problem with the housing system in the first place. Adding more wards just compounds the problem. Changing the housing system to add more forms of housing outside the wards system would be more likely to be an improvement. Ask for actual changes.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y-for-purchase

So apparently the random hidden timer is considered a bug by accepting the thread. So I guess the devs admit they have an issue and gonna check this out. Housing has a lot of problems

You need to read the stickied thread at the top of the In-Game Bugs subforum. Moving your thread to the Accepted Bugs forum doesn't mean they acknowledge it's a bug. It means you formatted your report correctly and included enough information for it to be forwarded to the bug team to be investigated. If they decided it was a bug, it would have been moved to the Confirmed/Planning to Address subforum.

You are just proving my point that apartments are still storage rooms with no gardening nor outdoor furnishing access, as well as wards not being enough.

No, MizArai didn't prove that point at all. Apartments are more than storage rooms, even if that's all you've decided they're good for.

There are some amazing apartment/FC rooms out there that make excellent use of the small space. You should try looking at the screenshots submitted for the recent housing design contest and in the "Show your private quarters" thread.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ivate-quarters

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ers-Apartments

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ers-Apartments

Someone who's an actual RPer would have no problems turning an apartment into a home, just as many people in real life have to settle for living in an apartment instead of a house.

[Aldotsk]

You are not asking for improvements to the system by saying servers should be shut down and/or more wards added. Ward design is considered to be one of the core problem with the housing system in the first place. Adding more wards just compounds the problem. Changing the housing system to add more forms of housing outside the wards system would be more likely to be an improvement. Ask for actual changes.

Again. I am not sure how apartment is going to "add more forms" of housing outside of ward system when there is no outdoor furnishing access, workshop or even expansion. It's basically still lacking than what the actual houses are given.

In real life, apartment vs houses are different. Houses have gardens. Apartments do not. Which is why apartment and houses are labeled differently.

Best way to get rid of ward design? They'd need to reset everything and make it instances. But obviously some people don't want instances because they care about neighbors that don't really care so much.

Should have made it Free Company wards or something.

[Jojoya]

Again. I am not sure how apartment is going to "add more forms" of housing outside of ward system when there is no outdoor furnishing access, workshop or even expansion. It's basically still lacking than what the actual houses are given.

In real life, apartment vs houses are different. Houses have gardens. Apartments do not. Which is why apartment and houses are labeled differently.

Best way to get rid of ward design? They'd need to reset everything and make it instances. But obviously some people don't want instances because they care about neighbors that don't really care so much.

Should have made it Free Company wards or something.

"Housing" refers to where people live. Apartments are a form of housing.

Plenty of people would agree that SE should add in instanced housing. Considering house interiors are already instanced, there is no reason why a FC with an instanced house couldn't add a workshop and private rooms for members.

The sticking point with respect to what you seem to want from housing (and I could be misunderstanding what you want) would the gardening. Yoshi P said a while back that intercross gardening would not be possible in apartments because it is tied to the day/night/weather cycles that exists in persistent zones but don't exist in instanced housing.

There's always the chance that if SE was to add in instanced housing they could fix that issue so anyone could have intercross gardening. Even if they still can't, it might no longer be an issue if players who didn't care about gardening were to move into the instanced housing, leaving the wards open for those who are willing to pay a premium price and risk demolition to have access to intercross gardening. Most players I know with a house don't garden at all, or at most plant the shard seeds and the decorative flowers.

It's easy enough to say "things should have been done this way instead" in hindsight. It doesn't change that we need to deal with what it actually is, make our suggestions for how it could be improved and hope SE is able to do something to make housing closer to what players want. I'm genuinely hoping they'll have announcements about updates to housing options to share with us during the Fan Festivals.