I feel it's time for more housing wards again

[Aldotsk]

You are not asking for improvements to the system by saying servers should be shut down and/or more wards added. Ward design is considered to be one of the core problem with the housing system in the first place. Adding more wards just compounds the problem. Changing the housing system to add more forms of housing outside the wards system would be more likely to be an improvement. Ask for actual changes.

Again. I am not sure how apartment is going to "add more forms" of housing outside of ward system when there is no outdoor furnishing access, workshop or even expansion. It's basically still lacking than what the actual houses are given.

In real life, apartment vs houses are different. Houses have gardens. Apartments do not. Which is why apartment and houses are labeled differently.

Best way to get rid of ward design? They'd need to reset everything and make it instances. But obviously some people don't want instances because they care about neighbors that don't really care so much.

Should have made it Free Company wards or something.

[Jojoya]

Again. I am not sure how apartment is going to "add more forms" of housing outside of ward system when there is no outdoor furnishing access, workshop or even expansion. It's basically still lacking than what the actual houses are given.

In real life, apartment vs houses are different. Houses have gardens. Apartments do not. Which is why apartment and houses are labeled differently.

Best way to get rid of ward design? They'd need to reset everything and make it instances. But obviously some people don't want instances because they care about neighbors that don't really care so much.

Should have made it Free Company wards or something.

"Housing" refers to where people live. Apartments are a form of housing.

Plenty of people would agree that SE should add in instanced housing. Considering house interiors are already instanced, there is no reason why a FC with an instanced house couldn't add a workshop and private rooms for members.

The sticking point with respect to what you seem to want from housing (and I could be misunderstanding what you want) would the gardening. Yoshi P said a while back that intercross gardening would not be possible in apartments because it is tied to the day/night/weather cycles that exists in persistent zones but don't exist in instanced housing.

There's always the chance that if SE was to add in instanced housing they could fix that issue so anyone could have intercross gardening. Even if they still can't, it might no longer be an issue if players who didn't care about gardening were to move into the instanced housing, leaving the wards open for those who are willing to pay a premium price and risk demolition to have access to intercross gardening. Most players I know with a house don't garden at all, or at most plant the shard seeds and the decorative flowers.

It's easy enough to say "things should have been done this way instead" in hindsight. It doesn't change that we need to deal with what it actually is, make our suggestions for how it could be improved and hope SE is able to do something to make housing closer to what players want. I'm genuinely hoping they'll have announcements about updates to housing options to share with us during the Fan Festivals.

[Ariane]

It's easy enough to say "things should have been done this way instead" in hindsight. It doesn't change that we need to deal with what it actually is, make our suggestions for how it could be improved and hope SE is able to do something to make housing closer to what players want. I'm genuinely hoping they'll have announcements about updates to housing options to share with us during the Fan Festivals.

Its nothing new though. It might be more understandable if SE did something never seen before, but they obviously based their housing on LotRO neighborhood system. But then they greatly reduced the number of neighborhoods(wards) and then on top of that remove the restrictions that help it work out. LotRO always only allowed one house per server per account. Large houses are for the kinships (free company) houses, and the smalls and mediums are the personal houses. This separates the individuals housing from the FC housing, and would make it easier to make sure FCs got houses.

Turbine seemed to understand if they were going to go with a ward system, they need restrictions on it and need to have many plots. Why didn't SE seem to understand it? If for some reason SE can't do enough wards and if they don't really like restrictions such as one house per server or only FC can get larges, etc, then they should have done instanced housing.