Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Vahlnir]

It looks like Pagos is starting to hurt the main part of the game too. Has anyone seen how little we’re getting for the Holloween event. No costumes! Really!

TBH I’m really glad and sad to read how so many ppl dislike Pagos, and I really hope they nert the drop rate ASAP bc I have yet to anyone with the new bahemoth heads.

I don't think Pagos is directly responsible for an in-game holiday's rewards. A lack of a costume doesn't exactly indicate that the game is in rough shape. It just means they're trying something different. Now, if we don't get one next year (or for any holiday between now and then) I might be a bit concerned. I don't like Eureka as a whole, but even I consider what you're saying a bit of a stretch. Aside from the nerfs, at least.

[van_arn]

Eureka is ruined because resurrecting party mob grinding was a stupid idea to begin with. That died in 2004.

Shoehorning party mob grinding into Diadem was a double stupid idea.

Trying to bribe players into a double-stupid idea with stuff like RNG hairstyles is a triple stupid idea.


It's bad decisions all the way down, folks.

[Dragoon4life]

So is Pagos light any noticeably better after the 4.41?

[Vahlnir]

Eureka is ruined because resurrecting party mob grinding was a stupid idea to begin with. That died in 2004.

Shoehorning party mob grinding into Diadem was a double stupid idea.

Trying to bribe players into a double-stupid idea with stuff like RNG hairstyles is a triple stupid idea.


It's bad decisions all the way down, folks.

My first true MMO experience was FF XI. I played for over a year and enjoyed every minute of it, even though I never progressed very far. I made some very good friends through mob grinding parties, and did thoroughly enjoy progressing to lvl 75. It was quite an epic journey filled with excitement, danger, happiness and frustration. And while I had no issue with mob grinding then...yeah, it just doesn't fit with the current MMO scene as a whole. At some point there's no turning back, and I feel like the devs tried to do so and failed. Hard. With Eureka, every time I enter this is basically me:




There's just no fun in it. Anemos was tolerable, though still not some epic, fun filled piece of side content like it should have been. Thanks for the Scorpion Harness though. But Pagos? There aren't words...well, there are, but I probably can't use them on the forums. If they had at least included some daily quests and the like (you know, like previous relic steps in previous grinds) it probably wouldn't be so bad. Tying the relic to this particular content chain was a bad idea from the get-go though. People might complain about them not deviating from the formula they like using, but when they do? Diadem, LoV and Eureka happens. I just don't think they're capable of deviating from it and succeeding, and honestly I'm fine with that. If they can't I just wish they'd embrace it instead of upsetting portions of their player base who is already too forgiving as it is. Without fresh ideas at least (perhaps some new team members?) though, things could get ugly rather soon.

[Ramesses]

I prefer the ghost myself.

Ahhhh yes... that's another great garb...decision time!

[Floortank]

I liked Pagos a lot more than spamming dungeons for tomestones. A lot more. In Pagos I had time to make friends, talk to people, enjoy myself. You can set your own pace in Pagos, from "barely active" to "grinding like mad" and still get a lot done, and you can moderate between the two speeds in the same duty, so you have complete control of how much energy you expend at all times. As such I was able to handle getting two Elemental weapons (before they made it easier), quite well. I felt like I suffered to complete two anima weapons.

Also, another thing to realize, is that any forum structure for any game only attracts the smallest of minorities. Of all the people who might dislike Pagos, even fewer still are willing to post about it. Much larger is the number of people who enjoy Pagos, and they're not here to say so because they have no need to. They are enjoying the game so there's nothing to complain about.

Pagos is easy, stress free, and you're killing mobs and bosses no different from the stuff you find in every other piece of content in the game. If Pagos is boring to you, dungeons should be boring to you as well, as the only difference is that you're on a linear path and have to zone out and zone in 1000 times to different dungeons to get the grind done.

[Tsumdere]

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I won't say you aren't allowed to like Pagos because you are, but I would say that Pagos being popular is absolutely false. Pagos is struggling to fill instances. The moment Pagos is mentioned in any of my linkshells it is met with a roar of disapproval (with the one person saying they like it and they are better than us who don't). In Pagos itself, it was a nightmare cesspool of negativity that first month, before everyone just gave up and left it. In JP, Pagos is almost empty because JP dislikes it as well.

If Pagos was popular, they wouldn't have nerfed it twice within a few months. If Pagos was popular, they wouldn't have come out and said that they are going to make Pyros more like Anemos when people started making a stink about Pagos. Every single forum, Reddit, and Discord I have been in has had the majority of people hate Pagos. Even in the Eureka Explorers discord, which was full of Anemos lovers (obviously!) is divided on Pagos and constantly get into fights with each other over it. Even one of my good friends who loves both Diadem and Anemos hates Pagos.
Most of these above people I know don't come to the forums. Maybe only two of us do. All of those sources combine to form a larger sample size to judge from. It's really not popular.

Also, right now on Aether, there is one instance running and it has 37 people in it. That's not very good for an entire data center. There is more people doing Savage parties right now.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Also, another thing to realize, is that any forum structure for any game only attracts the smallest of minorities. Of all the people who might dislike Pagos, even fewer still are willing to post about it. Much larger is the number of people who enjoy Pagos, and they're not here to say so because they have no need to. They are enjoying the game so there's nothing to complain about.

This only applies when opinions are more divided. In scenarios where the online opinion is significantly one-sided, it's often the prevailing opinion amongst the fandom. EA held this same belief and lost millions between Mass Effect 3's ending controversy and Star War's loot box disaster. They're looking to make it a trifecta with Battlefield V. Not to mention, with how connected people are to the internet nowadays, things have changed. I mean, looking at reddit, they have over 190,000 people subscribed to the FFXIV page. The latest census claims FFXIV's active playerbase is 627,000 or thereabouts. That isn't a "smallest of minorities."

[Deceptus]

Also, another thing to realize, is that any forum structure for any game only attracts the smallest of minorities. Of all the people who might dislike Pagos, even fewer still are willing to post about it. Much larger is the number of people who enjoy Pagos, and they're not here to say so because they have no need to. They are enjoying the game so there's nothing to complain about.

And people who take the time to write well thought out critiques are the most valuable feedback you can get. This forum is full of them but it's largely ignored because SE wants us to play the game "Their Way"

[Liam_Harper]

Also, another thing to realize, is that any forum structure for any game only attracts the smallest of minorities. Of all the people who might dislike Pagos, even fewer still are willing to post about it. Much larger is the number of people who enjoy Pagos, and they're not here to say so because they have no need to. They are enjoying the game so there's nothing to complain about.

I know of only a single person in my fc and maybe 2-3 people across all my linkshells who have completed a Pagos weapon. The rest avoid it like the plague and hate it. Even in Pagos itself you frequently see players complaining about it in party or shout. This isn't a vocal minority on the forums.