Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Bourne_Endeavor]

New tiers have been a constant in the game for a while now and have had the same downward trend; it should be obvious why I would write it off. The monster hunter collab is the only other unusual thing here though I certainly wouldn't point to it as being the major reason for the jump in numbers.

Looking at precious censuses, the dates aren't a fair comparison. For example, 3.4 is not represented at all. We go from 3.38 to 3.45, thus the biggest potential boon for player activity—a new tier—has long passed. You also have to consider additional factors. 3.1 is widely considered the worst patch in this game's history outside 1.x due to the delay of its release and what came with it. Likewise, Gordias and Midas did not exactly inspire confidence in the endgame; with the former nearly killing the raid scene entirely. Of course, we can't rule out Eureka having an impact, but it's not anywhere near as cut and dry as you're making it out to be.

[Solarra]

The only people with the real numbers on Eureka are the devs, and I very much doubt they are going to share them with us. Looking at sub numbers for each patch to gauge the success of a single piece of content is really not a reliable indicator. Correlation /= Causation.

What we can look at is how this content has been nerfed/altered compared to previous relics. While that is speculating too, there definitely seems to be a different pattern emerging, namely, much earlier nerfs than we have seen before. Taking that, along with the numerous complaints on various forums, it seems reasonable to conclude that Eureka, and Pagos in particular, has not been as successful as they hoped.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The only people with the real numbers on Eureka are the devs, and I very much doubt they are going to share them with us. Looking at sub numbers for each patch to gauge the success of a single piece of content is really not a reliable indicator. Correlation /= Causation.

What we can look at is how this content has been nerfed/altered compared to previous relics. While that is speculating too, there definitely seems to be a different pattern emerging, namely, much earlier nerfs than we have seen before. Taking that, along with the numerous complaints on various forums, it seems reasonable to conclude that Eureka, and Pagos in particular, has not been as successful as they hoped.

For reference sake, I dug up the old patch notes. The Unidentifiable phase released in 3.15 and was subsequently beaten in the ground in 3.38. That took slightly over eight months. Comparatively, Pagos received small nerfs in its first two weeks, and two additional nerfs in the subsequent three months between 4.35 and 4.41. Granted, one does have to account for the difference in progression. Pagos will not be nearly as populated once Pyros releases whereas the Anima relic had nothing to hinder its progression since you were simply farming tomes or beast tribes. That being said, it's still a noteworthy difference.

[Mutemutt]

Looking at precious censuses, the dates aren't a fair comparison. For example, 3.4 is not represented at all. We go from 3.38 to 3.45, thus the biggest potential boon for player activity—a new tier—has long passed. You also have to consider additional factors. 3.1 is widely considered the worst patch in this game's history outside 1.x due to the delay of its release and what came with it. Likewise, Gordias and Midas did not exactly inspire confidence in the endgame; with the former nearly killing the raid scene entirely. Of course, we can't rule out Eureka having an impact, but it's not anywhere near as cut and dry as you're making it out to be.

I said "suggests"; I'm not making this out as some kind of undisputable fact. But it's not so cut and dry as saying you hear lots of people complain they hate it therefore almost everyone hates it or that it's failed content, etc.

The only people with the real numbers on Eureka are the devs, and I very much doubt they are going to share them with us. Looking at sub numbers for each patch to gauge the success of a single piece of content is really not a reliable indicator. Correlation /= Causation.

What we can look at is how this content has been nerfed/altered compared to previous relics. While that is speculating too, there definitely seems to be a different pattern emerging, namely, much earlier nerfs than we have seen before. Taking that, along with the numerous complaints on various forums, it seems reasonable to conclude that Eureka, and Pagos in particular, has not been as successful as they hoped.

Well we can only really guess at anything because they never release numbers themselves. But it is worth mentioning that YoshiP has said in an interview something to the effect of being surprised at how many people are doing Eureka -- it being much more than expected.

[Dragoon4life]

It looks like Pagos is starting to hurt the main part of the game too. Has anyone seen how little we’re getting for the Holloween event. No costumes! Really!

TBH I’m really glad and sad to read how so many ppl dislike Pagos, and I really hope they nert the drop rate ASAP bc I have yet to anyone with the new bahemoth heads.

[Ramesses]

It looks like Pagos is starting to hurt the main part of the game too. Has anyone seen how little we’re getting for the Holloween event. No costumes! Really!

TBH I’m really glad and sad to read how so many ppl dislike Pagos, and I really hope they nert the drop rate ASAP bc I have yet to anyone with the new bahemoth heads.

*(Dusts off his dracula attire)*

Looks like this will be making a comeback again this year.

[Nestama]

It looks like Pagos is starting to hurt the main part of the game too. Has anyone seen how little we’re getting for the Holloween event. No costumes! Really!

TBH I’m really glad and sad to read how so many ppl dislike Pagos, and I really hope they nert the drop rate ASAP bc I have yet to anyone with the new bahemoth heads.

I don't think the people who work on designing gear also work on Eureka.

[Ramesses]

I don't think the people who work on designing gear also work on Eureka.

Agreed... very true.

[Liam_Harper]

I'd be very interested to see actual figures of the percentage of players who have completed a Pagos Relic.

The Devs are the only ones with these figures and so far have hit Pagos with the nerfbat twice, with further nerfs very like coming along with Pyros, as well as stating that Pyros will go back to being similar to Anemos. That's not the sort of reaction you'd expect from highly popular and successful content...

[Deceptus]

*(Dusts off his dracula attire)*

Looks like this will be making a comeback again this year.

I prefer the ghost myself.