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  1. #11
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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Fey Wind doesn't need a buff.
    Selene just need a slight rework so that she become a real choice over Eos, without buffing Scholar even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    Fey Wind doesn't need a buff.
    Selene just need a slight rework so that she become a real choice over Eos, without buffing Scholar even more.
    It definitely needs something. I don't mind if SCH takes a hit somewhere else to make up for it, but an ability with an effect as small as Fey Wind either needs to be buffed or removed from the game, IMO. Remember how pathetic Devotion was before it was buffed? Fey Wind is in a similar boat the way I see it. It just feels like a really lame ability that you cast on cd for a negligible damage increase. I just wish it felt more powerful to cast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatusernameistaken View Post
    It just feels like a really lame ability that you cast on cd for a negligible damage increase.
    Well that's part of the problem, need to be lining it up with raid buffs. But I can't see anything helping all that much if you're recasting fairies 5 or 6 times each pull. Feels like a waste well before any potency is calculated. Most bang for your buck is on pull. Possibly recasting during a transition when all raid buffs will be back up for boss. If you want to maximize Fey Wind it seems like you'd need to have a strong co-healer so you can keep Selene out instead of swapping. Without that it's kind of unfair to make any analogies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    Well that's part of the problem, need to be lining it up with raid buffs.
    This is my problem with it. It gets the most value either on pull, or during a transition phase like you state later. It is only worth the cast a couple of times during a fight, and even in those situations it's still a negligible buff, and its overall contribution to a pull is almost nothing (less than ~200 DPS added to the total dps of the raid, and that's if you're casting it every 60 seconds for an entire 10 min fight. Casting it on pull and during transition is probably something like ~40 DPS added to the raid's total DPS). For an ability that is supposed to define Selene's role, this is honestly a pathetic contribution. 3% is not a high enough number to matter at all, unless it's an aura that's constantly active.
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    I would just split off Fey Covenant to Selene and give Fey Caress to Eos. That would be fair. HoT, AoE Cleanse, and healing boost on Eos, Magic mitigation, Silence, and Haste on Selene. Both have their uses depending on your co-healer and the fight's needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metsonm View Post
    Sounds like the issue is that pet-swapping isn't efficient, rather than Fey Wind isn't strong enough. Fey Wind is a decent enough buff in itself, but Selene has nothing else. The silence is awkward to use, and worthless in a load of content, a problem the cleanse also has. What they should be looking at instead is giving us a reason to use Selene over Eos.
    Pretty much this. If they want selene to be the buff fairy then they need to get rid of the silence. The game isn't coded well enough for it to work reliably, and most bosses can't be silenced.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatusernameistaken View Post
    It definitely needs something. I don't mind if SCH takes a hit somewhere else to make up for it, but an ability with an effect as small as Fey Wind either needs to be buffed or removed from the game, IMO. Remember how pathetic Devotion was before it was buffed? Fey Wind is in a similar boat the way I see it. It just feels like a really lame ability that you cast on cd for a negligible damage increase. I just wish it felt more powerful to cast.
    Devotion's problem wasn't the buff itself actually.
    It was because you couldn't exactly choose who you wanted to get the buff since it was the closer player to the pet.
    If I remember correctly it was 5% damage/mitigation/healing every 90s, which was not that bad (like dragon sight %).
    And since smn also had Contagion/Radiant Shield.

    But it's better now indeed, even if it's a small buff (it must be a bit similar to Foe Requiem)
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    Ya devotion is now 2 percent damage/mitigation with a 5 percent healing potency still unchanged.

    Of course another thing we need to remember, SCH is current healer king atm. Great ogcd heals, the fairy (Eos in particular), chain strat, highest dps of the healers etc. So if we are to buff fey wind to make Selene a choice, then something has to happen to one those that I mentioned and that would probably aggravate a lot of people.

    That's not to say I don't disagree. However, buffing Fey Wind is probably a low priority for them given how widely play SCH is and its strengths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Ya devotion is now 2 percent damage/mitigation with a 5 percent healing potency still unchanged.

    Of course another thing we need to remember, SCH is current healer king atm. Great ogcd heals, the fairy (Eos in particular), chain strat, highest dps of the healers etc. So if we are to buff fey wind to make Selene a choice, then something has to happen to one those that I mentioned and that would probably aggravate a lot of people.

    That's not to say I don't disagree. However, buffing Fey Wind is probably a low priority for them given how widely play SCH is and its strengths.
    I'm actually fine with SCH's self-kit being nerfed a bit so they can buff the fairies again. SCH is indeed in a very good spot atm, but that's not a reason for a large part of Selene's kit to be useless/almost useless. I just want us to have two compelling fairy choices
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    Swapping fairies to apply both Fey Wind and Whispering Dawn is a technique I personally use, but it is a seldom one. Basically, it isn't part of my rotation and something I do when I 'feel' it will benefit the party. Swapping/Summoning comes with a considerable DPS loss for the SCH, so the most optimal time to swap is between phases/trash pulls, or anytime there is nothing targetable on the battlefield.

    Fey Wind itself does not need a buff. Increasing the rate at which high damage skills are dished out greatly turns the tide of battle, so any buff to Fey Wind would be responded in kind with the mobs we face. However, what I have been screaming for is for fairy abilities to no longer share cooldowns, especially when something like Silent Dusk can take away your Whispering Dawn.
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