Quote Originally Posted by Yamimarik View Post
Some people aren't really seeing some of the things I'm saying, but I digress on that part.

On the part that people are, and are disagreeing with me on my views. I understand you all have your opinions and views. But you most likely all have had mostly if not anything but positive outcomes with the people you run into or static with. Again there isn't anything wrong with wanting to always do better. But I personally feel expecting everyone to be at the 100% top percentile and the "best" or even close to it as possible is just an extremely unrealistic ideal.

Everyone out there playing this game will never play the same exact way. Everyone will always have some varying degrees of play-styles and especially strategies that will most likely show varying skills and numbers in the long run. No two people play exactly the same. I'm not saying everyone expects this because I know that isn't true. But it's more expected now days and widely excepted practice then during 2.XX raiding.

It personally sounds like you are having some kind of internal struggle with people's play styles honestly, correct me If I'm wrong. I mean, there isn't really anything preventing you from getting a group together If all you want out of raiding Is the feeling of downing the content and that's it, I can't say that's a successful formula once you get into savage and ultimate content but if you can manage to find a group of good players that don't bother with FFlogs that have the ability to down the content you are trying to tackle, more power to you.


That being said, most players that are progression raiders and have savage/ult kills under their belts are most likely uploading their logs and constantly trying to improve themselves and outside of the initial competition of World/Realm firsts that's how they enjoy raiding. Also, just because fflogs didn't exist in early ARR doesn't mean people weren't trying to improve their game play or kill times. The concept of playing as optimally as you possibly can has existed long before there were tools to track such data. Times change as do the players and their play styles, competition is just the nature of the beast when it comes to MMO's both in PVE and PVP. The only real solution to your problem is creating your own group where everyone enjoys tackling the content in the same way that you do. There isn't anything wrong with that, It's a game after all so enjoy it the way you see fit by finding others that feel the same.