RDM DoT idea

[Rongway]

Imagine Guardian Savage, which only allows 4 players to be in melee range for a portion of the fight. Assuming "enchanted auto attack" means it needs to be an auto attack, RDM would necessarily have to be one of the four in melee range during missiles phase, ink phase, and virus phase.

Whose place would they take? Ninja's? Dragoon's? Paladin's? Warrior's? If RDM isn't considered "one of the melee" when it needs auto attacks to draw out its full potential, then it just flat out won't draw out its full potential.

So save the enchanted autoattack ability for after that part. It's not even as bad as having to hold off on Displacing because everything outside of 10ym became a death field for a whole phase. RDMs can attack at range, so obviously they get a ranged pad if there are two melee DDs already.

[JunseiKei]

An enchanted auto attack mechanic...that would be neat, but it would mean that RDM would then have to fight for one of the two melee spots (ie, against DRG and NIN) to be able to play at full potential.

So it'd end up being like 2.x barrage? Considering RDM only autos after it's double cast or melee phase, it doesn't quite sound very useful, considering we only need to be in melee range for a small portion of the entirety of our rotation.


Personally, I love RDM because it doesn't have a DoT. All DoTs in this game (sans BRD) are strictly there for damage; they don't do anything extra. If it came with an additional effect, like someone suggested a way to refresh MP, then sure. IMO, all of the current DoTs should have an additional effect (combine MNK's blunt vulnerability from Dragon Kick into Demolish's DoT). As it were, 4.x saw the removal of a few DoTs (or at least, how many classes had an additional DoT because Fracture was accessible to many different DPS jobs).

[Grimoire-M]

So it'd end up being like 2.x barrage? Considering RDM only autos after it's double cast or melee phase, it doesn't quite sound very useful, considering we only need to be in melee range for a small portion of the entirety of our rotation.


Personally, I love RDM because it doesn't have a DoT. All DoTs in this game (sans BRD) are strictly there for damage; they don't do anything extra. If it came with an additional effect, like someone suggested a way to refresh MP, then sure. IMO, all of the current DoTs should have an additional effect (combine MNK's blunt vulnerability from Dragon Kick into Demolish's DoT). As it were, 4.x saw the removal of a few DoTs (or at least, how many classes had an additional DoT because Fracture was accessible to many different DPS jobs).

I was mostly referring to generating White/Black Mana over time being the main reason to have a DoT. I figured it would be a single target oGCD or an alternative weaponskill finisher regardless though. I'd much rather see a straight Osmose oGCD that grants RDM more mana based on their missing MP to solve their mana issues. Not that they couldn't be combined, but I figure the DoT would see more use.

[JunseiKei]

I was mostly referring to generating White/Black Mana over time being the main reason to have a DoT. I figured it would be a single target oGCD or an alternative weaponskill finisher regardless though. I'd much rather see a straight Osmose oGCD that grants RDM more mana based on their missing MP to solve their mana issues. Not that they couldn't be combined, but I figure the DoT would see more use.

I could see the DoT messing with levels of white and black mana when you're forced to wait for mechanics and there's limited melee space. Suddenly you're tapped at 100/100 mana due to how the fight is designed (and, again, probably purposely designed to mess with certain classes/compositions more than others). Right now, RDM can sit on 8x/8x, 8x/9x or 100/8x (or 100/9x) if they line up better with how a fight (and rbuffs) is coordinated. A DoT that raises both mana takes away that flexibility.

[Grimoire-M]

I could see the DoT messing with levels of white and black mana when you're forced to wait for mechanics and there's limited melee space. Suddenly you're tapped at 100/100 mana due to how the fight is designed (and, again, probably purposely designed to mess with certain classes/compositions more than others). Right now, RDM can sit on 8x/8x, 8x/9x or 100/8x (or 100/9x) if they line up better with how a fight (and rbuffs) is coordinated. A DoT that raises both mana takes away that flexibility.

That is a good argument to put it on the melee combo, but given how little use that sees, I don't think it would be a good idea. I'm an advocate for adding Verwater/Blizzard into the rotation as mana spenders/converters that you could use in place of Aero/Thunder in the current rotation, which would help with that problem. The conversion rate would be something like spend 7 black mana for 3 white mana for Verwater at 360-400 potency and vice versa for Verblizzard. The potency would be whatever it takes to come close to the melee combo in DPS. I figure they would get the Verstone/Fire proc as well. This would turn the melee combo into something you try to align with raid buffs and personal cooldowns rather than something you always fish for, which the DoT would help facilitate by keeping your mana relatively even in tandem with the spenders. That's the idea I had in mind for it, at least.

[Dualgunner]

So save the enchanted autoattack ability for after that part. It's not even as bad as having to hold off on Displacing because everything outside of 10ym became a death field for a whole phase. RDMs can attack at range, so obviously they get a ranged pad if there are two melee DDs already.

I guess I'm coming at this from the assumption that this enchanted auto attack DoT what-have-you would be something the player wants as close to 100% uptime as possible, much like every other DoT in the game. If it were a timed CD that didn't necessitate that, then I suppose that would work fine.