Non-binary option for characters, please?

[TaiyoShikasu]

Woke: Gender isn't real.

Broke: Eleven pages of "Lol two genders."

[kamenkuro]

Woke: Gender isn't real.

Broke: Eleven pages of "Lol two genders."

Scientifically speaking there are only 2 confirmed genders in humans. The lack of gender is not possible. The word gender is an interesting word, as folks seem to confuse what it's used for. Gender is primarily there to assign masculine and feminine traits upon things. This can be creatures or objects. To be gendered is to be put into a Male or female category based on characteristics ranging from the biological to the physical with biology being prioritized. The current fad of misconstruing the word to fit personal ideologies has been largely rebuffed by the populace at large. This has more or less caused those like yourself and OP to adopt a humorously overblown ego as this idea has been thrown around a number of internet echo chambers where this sentiment hasn't been rightly challenged. When presented with evidence or logic the discussion shuts down and turns into either derision or cold silence.

[TaiyoShikasu]

Scientifically speaking there are only 2 confirmed genders in humans. The lack of gender is not possible. The word gender is an interesting word, as folks seem to confuse what it's used for. Gender is primarily there to assign masculine and feminine traits upon things. This can be creatures or objects. To be gendered is to be put into a Male or female category based on characteristics ranging from the biological to the physical with biology being prioritized. The current fad of misconstruing the word to fit personal ideologies has been largely rebuffed by the populace at large. This has more or less caused those like yourself and OP to adopt a humorously overblown ego as this idea has been thrown around a number of internet echo chambers where this sentiment hasn't been rightly challenged. When presented with evidence or logic the discussion shuts down and turns into either derision or cold silence.

Sex refers to biology, anatomy, chromosomes and so forth. And the notion of only two sexes ignores intersex people who are an extreme minority to the point a lot of them don't even know they're biologically neither a man or woman until an autopsy is done. Gender refers to societal conditioning, men are the breadwinners, women raise children and so forth. Notions that have been challenged going back at least nearly two hundred years if not further.

So sex real as there is a material basis for it. Gender, not real as there is no material basis for it.

Screaming logic and evidence watch Ben Shapiro doesn't mean anything because words have meaning and the meaning of sex and gender are pretty concrete.

[Jandor]

Sex refers to biology, anatomy, chromosomes and so forth. And the notion of only two sexes ignores intersex people who are an extreme minority to the point a lot of them don't even know they're biologically neither a man or woman until an autopsy is done. Gender refers to societal conditioning, men are the breadwinners, women raise children and so forth. Notions that have been challenged going back at least nearly two hundred years if not further.

So sex real as there is a material basis for it. Gender, not real as there is no material basis for it.

Screaming logic and evidence watch Ben Shapiro doesn't mean anything because words have meaning and the meaning of sex and gender are pretty concrete.

Not that concrete, sex and gender were pretty interchangeable terms up until relatively recently.

There are only 2 sexes and intersex people don't change that. Intersex people have a medical condition, not a third sex.

[kamenkuro]

Sex refers to biology, anatomy, chromosomes and so forth. And the notion of only two sexes ignores intersex people who are an extreme minority to the point a lot of them don't even know they're biologically neither a man or woman until an autopsy is done. Gender refers to societal conditioning, men are the breadwinners, women raise children and so forth. Notions that have been challenged going back at least nearly two hundred years if not further.

So sex real as there is a material basis for it. Gender, not real as there is no material basis for it.

Screaming logic and evidence watch Ben Shapiro doesn't mean anything because words have meaning and the meaning of sex and gender are pretty concrete.

I literally just explained everything in clear and concise terms. Did you read what I wrote? Gender is very simple concept. Anatomy and chromosomes are just a branch of biology. There is no one devoid of sexual characteristics. You're not really making a compelling statement. You're simply attempting to rebuff mine with faulty talking points. Gender is very real. It's why can refer to ships as women or divide the complicated nuances of plant reproduction. To gender something you generally follow a set structure. Biology>physical make up in absence of biology>opinion. First would be a human, second would be a humanoid robot, and third would be a rubik's cube. The first has characteristics that are clearly defined. The second mimics these characteristics. The third has no defining traits and can be given a gender at someone's discretion because at that point it does not matter. Your idea of gender conditioning is a reference to social gender identities which is where we give actions gender. That also changes place to place and falls into the third category of gendered by opinion. Your inclusion of outliers also does not render gender moot. As these outliers are biologically 2 genders. This is not in any way a killing blow to the definition of gender. In fact it only proves further that biology is the main deciding factor in it's categorical duties.

Anyhow I rambled on. Lemme just summarize. Sex is exclusive to humans and any other biological entity. Gender is used to categorize everything and anything into either masculine or feminine with biology being prioritized in this categorization. To deny the idea of gender is to deny the idea of sex as they are almost identical. Gender simply covers a broader spectrum.

[TaiyoShikasu]

I literally just explained everything in clear and concise terms. Did you read what I wrote? Gender is very simple concept. Anatomy and chromosomes are just a branch of biology. There is no one devoid of sexual characteristics. You're not really making a compelling statement. You're simply attempting to rebuff mine with faulty talking points. Gender is very real. It's why can refer to ships as women or divide the complicated nuances of plant reproduction. To gender something you generally follow a set structure. Biology>physical make up in absence of biology>opinion. First would be a human, second would be a humanoid robot, and third would be a rubik's cube. The first has characteristics that are clearly defined. The second mimics these characteristics. The third has no defining traits and can be given a gender at someone's discretion because at that point it does not matter. Your idea of gender conditioning is a reference to social gender identities which is where we give actions gender. That also changes place to place and falls into the third category of gendered by opinion. Your inclusion of outliers also does not render gender moot. As these outliers are biologically 2 genders. This is not in any way a killing blow to the definition of gender. In fact it only proves further that biology is the main deciding factor in it's categorical duties.

Anyhow I rambled on. Lemme just summarize. Sex is exclusive to humans and any other biological entity. Gender is used to categorize everything and anything into either masculine or feminine with biology being prioritized in this categorization. To deny the idea of gender is to deny the idea of sex as they are almost identical. Gender simply covers a broader spectrum.

"Gender is real and that's why it can be assigned to anything and everything like something that isn't innate almost as if it were a human construct." ~Literally you not seeing how you contradict yourself.

You can type paragraphs and paragraphs all you want, you'll still be wrong, even poking holes in your own arguments, but somehow unable to see it. Like how is a boat female despite having literally no traits that can be described as feminine. Do you see a woman wearing pants and get absolutely tilted because "dresses are for girls, pants are for boys?"

Plant reproduction and sexual reproduction in general refers to sex which has nothing to do with gender because one doesn't need an arbitrary title to reproduce, they need functioning sex organs.

Loosen the MAGA hat and read a book, holy. It's not hard.

[kamenkuro]

"Gender is real and that's why it can be assigned to anything and everything like something that isn't innate almost as if it were a human construct." ~Literally you not seeing how you contradict yourself.

You can type paragraphs and paragraphs all you want, you'll still be wrong, even poking holes in your own arguments, but somehow unable to see it. Like how is a boat female despite having literally no traits that can be described as feminine. Do you see a woman wearing pants and get absolutely tilted because "dresses are for girls, pants are for boys?"

Plant reproduction and sexual reproduction in general refers to sex which has nothing to do with gender because one doesn't need an arbitrary title to reproduce, they need functioning sex organs.

Loosen the MAGA hat and read a book, holy. It's not hard.

This is unnecessarily hostile. You understand that the "human construct" argument itself is flawed right. Everything is essentially constructed by humans. The idea of time. The idea of gravity. All of it. Your attempts at derailing the conversation by derision was already anticipated.

However, because I want to help folks, I'll simplify this in the most simple of terms. Think of gender as color. For every color we have a clear and defined name. What do we call the sky and the sea? Blue. What do we call apples and sunsets? Red. Gender has that same concrete categorical property. Albeit limited to male and female and having 3 layers. The only time gender is arguable is when there are no biological indicators. So, this is only in regards to objects and ideas.

You can't simply remove the concrete categorical powers of gender. That would be like saying you can call a blue pair of jeans red.

[BillyKaplan]

Everything is essentially constructed by humans. The idea of time. The idea of gravity.

You're confusing 'defined' and 'constructed'. Time and Gravity both existed before humans ever evolved. You pick an item up, you let it go, it falls down. Gravity objectively exists because we don't float in space. Humans didn't construct it, we named it. We didn't invent time, though we defined units of measurements for it. Sex would fall under this as well (and even then there are exceptions to the standard male and female forms, and variations exist between species).
Gender does not. As is evident by what is considered feminine and masculine changes over time period and location. Pink used to be a masculine color. Guys used to wear high heels. Those things change.

Think of gender as color. For every color we have a clear and defined name. What do we call the sky and the sea? Blue. What do we call apples and sunsets? Red.

It's funny that's your example because we can't actually prove that two people see the same color. They just both know to call the ball they're seeing the color on by that name because it's a social agreement that that color, whatever it looks like to them, is "red". Regardless if what I see it as is closer to what you see as blue.
Another thing that's amusing in your example is that words by definition are context-driven. There are Eskimo tribes that have fifty words for snow. Because in their society, the nuances and contexts of snow matter much more than they do to people who live in other places and speak other languages. So you saying 'there is only male and female' isn't so much fact as it is a testament to the society and political climate you live in.

Nobody cares about your gender meat popsicle! Learn how to play your job instead.

"What's your gender?"
"Black mage"