Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

[Jett-Rinn]

I have this impression too. Back when I started FFXIV it felt different. You'd go to Haukke Manor for the first time, you'd wipe when the adds appeared and everyone kept trying. No vote dismissing, no people questioning others skill, just 4 very motivated players trying to kill a boss. Or Brayflox, I remember the last boss could prove challenging if the tank failed to dodge the aoes or move the boss from the venom puddles. I remember clearing my first EX primals through DF and it was a really fun experience. Garuda and Ifrit didn't take many tries, but Titan at that time required a very good group, and it was sure exciting. The game was fresh back then and people were a lot more enthusiastic. Now I feel like a big part of the playerbase just keeps logging in to do their dailies, cap their tomes, water their flowers and enter their houses, but the fun factor is mostly gone, a lot of people always want to get everything done fast, and they grow extremely impatient the very moment they feel somebody is dragging them down. I think people should take breaks more often and not force themselves into playing FFXIV for so long, nothing is fun forever, and when you are repeatedly playing a game you are not having fun with anymore, your attitude,inevitably, grows bitter too.

Pretty much..... and while I won't join the quickly growing amount of folks who turn their chats off that seems to be the prevalent trend in Duty finder.

As one player put it....let them rage at the sky, because no one else in the group can hear them, sorta like stuffing big stinky sock in their mouths.

[Lastelli]

As one player put it....let them rage at the sky, because no one else in the group can hear them, sorta like stuffing big stinky sock in their mouths.

Be my guest. I will gladly pick up your slack in expert dungeons, I don't really mind. But you have no place in my *something* ex farm party. In that case you won't hear me, but you'll definitely feel the boot.

[van_arn]

As one player put it....let them rage at the sky, because no one else in the group can hear them, sorta like stuffing big stinky sock in their mouths.

If people just plug their ears and won't listen to their party, they're an easy kick.

[Sigma-Astra]

I'm calling bs on this. This thread makes it sound like 99% of the playerbase is terrible. I pug a lot of stuff and outside of savage content, 95% of my runs go just fine. I guess it comes down to what is considered "bad". Based on the players in this thread that are perfect, I guess if someone makes a mistake they are looking for a carry. If someone is not topping fflogs, they are looking for a carry. Yes, there are bad players. To say they make up most of the playerbase is just exaggerating. In 5 years, I've never run into the mythical ice mages this forum claims are everywhere.

They should make a server for all these players that never make mistakes. Then they can clear everything in one shot, never die and not have to play with us mere mortals that make mistakes. Sounds like a win/win for everyone.

You sound really unhappy and in desperate need of a chill pill and some hot chocolate.

[Miste]

I'm calling bs on this. This thread makes it sound like 99% of the playerbase is terrible. I pug a lot of stuff and outside of savage content, 95% of my runs go just fine. I guess it comes down to what is considered "bad". Based on the players in this thread that are perfect, I guess if someone makes a mistake they are looking for a carry. If someone is not topping fflogs, they are looking for a carry. Yes, there are bad players. To say they make up most of the playerbase is just exaggerating. In 5 years, I've never run into the mythical ice mages this forum claims are everywhere.

They should make a server for all these players that never make mistakes. Then they can clear everything in one shot, never die and not have to play with us mere mortals that make mistakes. Sounds like a win/win for everyone.

>Says other people are exaggerating

>Exaggerates even further

10/10

[NessaWyvern]

I have this impression too. Back when I started FFXIV it felt different.

In the first year I started FFXIV, there was plenty of toxicity. Does anybody remember Titan HM for relic, before they fixed the latency? It was the only time in this game that I was told to uninstall the game and kill myself (I had more latency than most since I'm from NZ, I got knocked off by landslides frequently). I missed the first Starlight event because that toxicity made me quit for three months. Nothing in this game has made me quit since (first season of rated feast came close, because of toxicity and speed hackers), so arguably I'd say toxicity is less now than it was back then.

I saw a fair amount of rage in Aurum Vale (they implemented the leave timer because of this and LotA) , the final boss of Dzemael Dark hold, and in the first frontline too. Oh yes, LotA the first widespread rage, people stacking skeles, people not standing on plates, people not killing bombs, people not standing on platforms for the final boss....

There was also rage at people not waiting for fates for the relic and hunts. There has always been toxicity in this game, I'm surprised people don't remember it.

[Vahlnir]

No way what so ever to not know to not stack on stack markers or put your aoe bombs in people their faces in raids.

Also no way what so ever to not know how to use a combo or only using shield lob.

In a raid setting, or even ANY content above 30 or 40? Yes, I agree. In a lvl 15 dungeon along with being a fresh player? I would expect there to be some...mishaps. That is what I was referring to, not raids. At some point people should know the basics of their class and general group play on their own. "Should" being the key word. If not there are guides for that.

[Selova]

I'm calling bs on this. This thread makes it sound like 99% of the playerbase is terrible. I pug a lot of stuff and outside of savage content, 95% of my runs go just fine. I guess it comes down to what is considered "bad". Based on the players in this thread that are perfect, I guess if someone makes a mistake they are looking for a carry. If someone is not topping fflogs, they are looking for a carry. Yes, there are bad players. To say they make up most of the playerbase is just exaggerating. In 5 years, I've never run into the mythical ice mages this forum claims are everywhere.

They should make a server for all these players that never make mistakes. Then they can clear everything in one shot, never die and not have to play with us mere mortals that make mistakes. Sounds like a win/win for everyone.

When people generally refer to bad players, we aren't talking about players that make mistakes. Everyone's experience varies and is nothing more than anecdotal evidence when based on their personal experience. That being said, the tales of the DF thread has been on the front page of the general forums for years and is filled with thousands of negative experiences with players that go for outside the realm of just making mistakes. While that thread isn't really proof that you yourself will encounter these players, it's a pretty good indication that encountering bad players isn't some rarity. There is a big difference between someone who makes a mistake and the Dragoon who doesn't use Heavy Thrust or Doomspike throughout the entire dungeon despite the fact that the tank is chain pulling tons of mobs, or the monk that doesn't do any positionals and single targets every single mob in big trash pulls. People don't care about players making the occasional mistake, but when someone is legitimately doing everything incorrectly and wasting the groups time. That is what bother's people.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Not 99%, but there's seriously more than normal here. Anyone that's played any other mmos at an average skill level and come here will tell you this game has the highest number of awful players ever. People have been saying that about this community since 2.0.

People complain about bads in all games but not to this extent because theres just so many.

What I've noticed is FFXIV tends to have the most stalwart defenders for under-performance. You have people who still insist healer DPS isn't a big deal and only shaves "a couple seconds off a dungeon" or whatsoever nonsense. The tank not using CDs? They must be new! There always seems to be an excuse. Of course this isn't unique to FFXIV, but I've never seen people defend it so much.

[Vahlnir]

What I've noticed is FFXIV tends to have the most stalwart defenders for under-performance. You have people who still insist healer DPS isn't a big deal and only shaves "a couple seconds off a dungeon" or whatsoever nonsense. The tank not using CDs? They must be new! There always seems to be an excuse. Of course this isn't unique to FFXIV, but I've never seen people defend it so much.

I mean, as far as healers go...if it's between multitasking and failing to keep people alive and just straight healing I'd have to go with the latter instead of the former. Good healers can juggle, but I do think some people are simply better off healing only. I've seen more than a few healers who have tried to dps and couldn't keep their party members alive. Thankfully not a majority, or at least not in my experience. But still, I agree that healers should be able to do both. Tanks can do the same when it comes to threat generation and dps.