The Burn

[Wyssahtyn]

Yojimbo? Hildebrand hasn't had trials since ARR. I can't even remember if there was even any combat involved in his HW and SB quests.

[Iscah]

So.... looking yet again at the strange piece of architecture that is the Dawn Throne, I have to wonder....

How big was Dalamud?

Were the Allagans building a second one?

They do, after all, have an 'unused' captured dragon tied up and not doing much on Azys Lla...

[ObsidianFire]

It's kinda hard to tell, but all three members of the Warring Triad are in smaller versions of Dalamud in the Aetherchemical Research Facility. They just havn't been launched into orbit yet...

Dalamud itself is humongous. You can best see how large it is in the North Shroud. There's a huge curved piece of it lodged in the earth. Anther good places to see how big it is/was is in Eastern Thanalan at the Burning Wall. The pieces of it seem to indicate Dalamud was far wider then the bowl of the Dawn Throne. Dalamud was so big, people thought it was a small moon after all.

Tiamt would never have been contained in something like Dalamud. She is not a primal, which was what Dalamud was designed to contain. She could have been one of the beasts guarding it like Twintania was.

[LineageRazor]

Dalamud itself is humongous.

Thanks to Coil Turn 5, it's possible to get a ballpark estimate of just how big Dalamud really was. Turn 5 takes place literally on Bahamut's reconstructed hand, so we get a clear indication of how big his hand is in comparison to a human. There was a thread a few years ago that spent some time trying to figure out just how big Bahamut really was. Because Bahamut fit pretty snugly into Dalamud, the answer to that provides a pretty good hint as to how big Dalamud was. The original poster, in trying to figure out Bahamut's size, started with the assumption that Dalamud was similar in size to Menphina, and also made the assumption that Menphina is as large as Earth's moon - neither of which can be assumed, really, and resulted in a Bahamut that was ridiculously large.

Later in the thread, though, Anonymoose made an estimate based on the size of the arena for Turn 5. He put Bahamut's height at roughly 1.7 miles, which seems reasonable, if we accept that Limsa Lominsa (which Bahamut flew over in cutscene) is fairly small compared to many real-life cities. I'm going to guess that Bahamut was balled up pretty tight in Dalamud as the Allagans likely didn't feel the need to take his comfort into consideration, and the smaller an object is, the easier it is to put it into space. So 1.7 miles is also a decent estimate for the diameter of Dalamud, including both Bahamut and the shell around him.

That sounds pretty big - but it's worth noting that it's FAR smaller than even the smallest moon in our solar system (Deimos, at 7 miles), and laughably small compared to our moon (2159 miles) which, presumably, Menphina is based upon. Dalamud likely had a very low orbit in order to be mistaken as a moon. Don't get me wrong, though - any man-made machine that can be measured in miles is a pretty serious hunk of hardware.

[Remedi]

Yojimbo? Hildebrand hasn't had trials since ARR. I can't even remember if there was even any combat involved in his HW and SB quests.

They already said that the fan fest fight is Yojimbo.

They could still put him in the zodiac raid yes but seems unlikely this time

[ObsidianFire]

That sounds about right. You can see satellites that are much smaller then that in orbit after all.

I'd say the stats on the International Space Station are a good starting point for a comparison. The ISS is only 350 feet wide and yet if you're under it when it goes overhead, you can see it if you know what you're looking for. It's weight, it's 450 tons, but that was mostly put together in space. As for it's orbit distance, it's "only" 292 miles out. The Moon's orbit is 239,000 miles out.

Dalamud is way bigger then the ISS is (both size and weight) and it was constructed pre-launch. So it makes sense that a lot of power was needed to get it into orbit. Its orbit distance is pretty interesting as it was not actually orbiting Hydaelyn. What it was really orbiting was Menphina. So it's probably really far out.

[Bright-Flower]

They already said that the fan fest fight is Yojimbo.

They could still put him in the zodiac raid yes but seems unlikely this time

Eh, if they could finagle a way to put Proto Ultima into Dun Scaith, they could find a reason to put Yojimbo into the new Alliance raid as a mini boss like Proto Ultima. That said, if Yojimbo is in the Hildebrand story and they already have a trial set up for fanfest it may be even easier to just make it a trial since they have it ready anyway.

[Remedi]

Eh, if they could finagle a way to put Proto Ultima into Dun Scaith, they could find a reason to put Yojimbo into the new Alliance raid as a mini boss like Proto Ultima. That said, if Yojimbo is in the Hildebrand story and they already have a trial set up for fanfest it may be even easier to just make it a trial since they have it ready anyway.

The model has already been datamined, I can see how they might be able to snudge him into the zodiac raid though

[Iscah]

Its orbit distance is pretty interesting as it was not actually orbiting Hydaelyn. What it was really orbiting was Menphina. So it's probably really far out.

It’s possible that Menphina is considerably smaller than Earth’s moon, but also closer to remain the same apparent size?

There are definitely some models of the planet-moon system around (eg. the ‘astrolabe’ staffs for BLM, if nothing else), so I wonder if that has the two moons to scale?

[ChaoticCrimson]

Wonder if the same apparatus used to lift Dalamud into space had anything to do with its actual construction. Also, I'd imagine the Allagans would have probably needed to build around Bahamut somehow while he was still subdued? Hmm...