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    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    At this point I'd find it almost refreshing to have Alphinaud get into Garlemald and be converted to the cause of the Empire by logic and reason, not brainwash, so that when we meet him again hes not Louis perfect little grandson anymore.
    Given that we now know the truth behind the founding of the empire and its true motives, I don’t think there’s any scope for ‘logic and reason’ to convert Alphinaud to their cause.
    Unless you’re counting his support of the Populares and of overthrowing the current regime to rob the Ascians of their influence, which is pretty much what’s already in the pipeline and is still in line with his character anyway.
    As for their stance on eikons, we’re all on the same page there anyway, no one wants eikons, it’s just that the empire blames everyone else for them when they’re also partially responsible, and wants to control everyone with an iron fist to prevent them.
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    Saleemius Arishiani
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Given that we now know the truth behind the founding of the empire and its true motives, I don’t think there’s any scope for ‘logic and reason’ to convert Alphinaud to their cause.
    Unless you’re counting his support of the Populares and of overthrowing the current regime to rob the Ascians of their influence, which is pretty much what’s already in the pipeline and is still in line with his character anyway.
    As for their stance on eikons, we’re all on the same page there anyway, no one wants eikons, it’s just that the empire blames everyone else for them when they’re also partially responsible, and wants to control everyone with an iron fist to prevent them.
    The empire is hugely responsible for the recent surges in Primal summoning throughout XIV ever since Nael Van Darnus's meteor project.Cuz in their abuse towards the beast tribes they just caused them to pray to their primals even more than they already been doing.The Black Wolf legion in ARR abused the Amaal'ja,Ixali and Kobolds just to power up the Ultima Weapon with the essence of the three primals and Illberd's summoning of Shinryu wouldn't have been a thing in HW had they not abused Ala Mhigo/Gyr Abania so much...which later in SB would cause the summoning of Lakshmi....not to mention Asahi's fanatical obsession with Zenos and how Elidibus took advantage of that to turn Yotsuyu into Tsukiyomi

    Unless Alphinaud and the Populares succeed in changing the way Garlemald is being ran,which is already hard to do with how tight the Ascian's grip on it's government is right now,The empire will always bear at least 80% of the blame so I'd say they're more than partially responsible.

    True we both want the same thing.....but the current government's method of achieving went a little too overboard especially when Zenos became a viceroy and he ended up doing what Nael did even if on a much lesser scale for his own gains
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalSnakeXI1 View Post
    .The Black Wolf legion in ARR abused the Amaal'ja,Ixali and Kobolds just to power up the Ultima Weapon with the essence of the three primals an
    That is actually wrong, It was Garuda that forced the captive Amaal'ja and kobolds to summon forth their primals so that she could drank their aether and become stronger to face Gaius, but then she played in his plan and he used the ultima weapon to to conquer them.

    That said Primal summoning will happen anywhere there are struggles as evidenced by Leviathan and Titan who were summoned by territorial struggles with Lominsa
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    Last edited by Remedi; 10-13-2018 at 02:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    That is actually wrong, It was Garuda that forced the captive Amaal'ja and kobolds to summon forth their primals so that she could drank their aether and become stronger to face Gaius, but then she played in his plan and he used the ultima weapon to to conquer them.

    That said Primal summoning will happen anywhere there are struggles as evidenced by Leviathan and Titan who were summoned by territorial struggles with Lominsa
    Oops...sorry,it's been forever since I watched that scene so I mixed up some detail
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