Let's Talk the Twins and Their End Goals

[Cilia]

I can't find anything mentioning Krile experiencing the phenomenon. The best we have in regards to her is...

It cannot be discounted that Mistress Krile has heard the voice as well. I will ask Tataru to send her word of what has come to pass.

While the first sentence can be interpreted as a bit vague, the latter makes it clear they haven't been in communication with Krile since the event. In other words... we don't know if she heard it or not.

[Theodric]

Eureka: Pyros is due to be added sometime soon so I imagine there will be some manner of clarification for players who have reached that point in the MSQ's. Or at least I'd like to think so...

The fact that she's effectively off doing her own thing may very well be what spared her.

[DamianFatale]

The twins are NOT evil. This is just mindless speculation.

Have you even payed attention to the 2.0 quests? They are NOT evil.

I can’t believe this post actually exists.

[Dreggit]

The twins are NOT evil. This is just mindless speculation.

Have you even payed attention to the 2.0 quests? They are NOT evil.

I can’t believe this post actually exists.

There's allegedly someone abounds that believes Tutaru is an Empirial Spy which is equally absurd, though even still, this subforum is the place to theorycraft lore ideas.

That in mind, while I don't believe the twins are evil I don't see enough evidence yet to expunge them from being key points in the allusion to twins.

IF we considered side quests in areas I do believe there are other twins that are round about but none of then have association with the Scions as far as I know

[Iscah]

I don't see a reason to link "the twins" with the "twin dooms" particularly. It's clear that the dooms are the world falling into either uncontrolled Light or Darkness. Opposite but equal dooms. "Twin" is a valid poetic description that could be used regardless.

Also we have some insight into their thoughts from the side stories. Alphinaud and Alisaie both get chapters in Tales from the Dragonsong War, and a shared story in Tales from the Calamity before that. No sign of any secret villainry going on.

If they were ever going to be linked to the "twin dooms" then I feel sure it would be something they did by accident, with good intentions.

[DamianFatale]

There's allegedly someone abounds that believes Tutaru is an Empirial Spy which is equally absurd, though even still, this subforum is the place to theorycraft lore ideas.

That in mind, while I don't believe the twins are evil I don't see enough evidence yet to expunge them from being key points in the allusion to twins.

IF we considered side quests in areas I do believe there are other twins that are round about but none of then have association with the Scions as far as I know

It’s still an awful theory, because it’s not true. Their grandfather was a Scion who saved Eorzea in prayer. They followed his footsteps, and sought answers during the Coils of Bahamut. There’s no indication of them being evil at all. It would literally ruin the Scions, and make a bunch of people upset.

[Nalien]

You don't have to be evil to make a mistake... Alphinaud has already kinda gone down that path with the Crystal Braves though, granted they weren't quite a Calamity causing mistake, although it did eventually result in Shinryu being summoned/created... Heck for that matter old Grandpa effectively summoned Phoenix... Good intentions don't always have perfect results, sometimes they can lead to big problems.

That said, I doubt the twins are going to be the cause of these "twin dooms". I think they'll be tied to them, but not the direct cause. If I had to guess, Zodiark and Hydaelyn are the "twin dooms", and Alphinaud and Alisaie are going to be used to mirror that relationship. Wouldn't shock me if Hydaelyn, for example, is sorrowful at having to seal away Zodiark, the same way Alisaie is about Alphinaud running off on his own. Of course my current theory is that our mysterious Caller is Alphinaud from the darkest most terrible timeline (or lightest most terrible timeline I suppose), so having future battle hardened Alphinaud timetravel and be an unsympathetic badass (representing Zodiark, of course) that Alisaie "can't even recognise as her brother" (banish him to the Moon gurl!) would be a better fit for that idea than using the current Alphinaud. Would also set up the theme of "We'll find another way" quite nicely. We'll find another way to prevent that timeline. We'll find another way to sort out the whole Zodiark issue. etc. etc.

[Alleo]

Alphinaud was in the 4.4 stinger, but to our knowledge did not experience the phenomenon. I've been trying to find a commonality that ties the victims together... all I can gather is that they were major members of the Scions. I was trying to link the voice to the Warriors of Darkness (Arbert), but my old buddy Fenral (can I still call you Waffles?) said the voice wasn't the same as Arbert's JP voice actor, so that's ruled out as well.

It seems to have been a regional phenomenon targeting the major Scions...

Now, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was Zodiark - who else but a god has the power to rip out souls? Given His weakened state at present, it would explain why it was so garbled and the phenomenon was restricted to Eorzea... but it's just a guess.

Not only were the major scions target but also those that could be dangerous. Thancred was the one who came up with the plan and they did state that he would be of great help to do it, yet suddenly he is taken out of the picture. Ysthola and Urianger both have a huge knowledge about the Aether and world. Ysthola helped to restore the land in the burn and Urianger was about to go with them to look at Thancred and at that moment we lost another two.

I doubt that this was random and I agree with your view and also state that it was Zodiark. Arbert has no way to see what we are doing right now and there was never a hint ingame that the echo makes one able to see the future. Also he never had shown the power to rip souls out of bodies. Alphinaud might be it if he is from the future but he was not there at a time so how would he know that the people had been planning all of this right there? Also he has no echo and never seemed that powerful to do something like that (and wouldnt we recognize his voice?)

Zodiark is a powerful being and one Ascian did talk about time too. Maybe he somehow got powerful enough to at least take away the souls of certain people thus hoping to prevent something.

About OP: I kinda doubt that twin dooms means our twins. Not only would making them evil seems out of nowhere but I dont feel like they are that powerful.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

The twins are NOT evil. This is just mindless speculation.

Have you even payed attention to the 2.0 quests? They are NOT evil.

I can’t believe this post actually exists.

Tho if Thancred's little case with Lahabrea is a proof for anything,I don't think the twins are immune to ascian possession.

They're not evil that's for sure,but they can still be possessed by ascians to do their evil biddings

[SannaR]

True the twins could be possessed, but when Thancred was we also hardly ever saw him. Though I'm not sure how well their acting chops are to keep up with the act. Specially with Alisaie and how she looks up to our character. If anyone besides Lyse would occasionally think a "What would the Wol do" type of thing it would be Alisaie. Of course right now she might also be the better of the two to get possessed, but then knowing how nosy she can get at times I think it would be a poor choice.