Let us Dye Normal Raid gear

[InkstainedGwyn]

Let's be real, most of these arguments distill down to "I really want this particular thing, so I shouldn't have to go out of my way to get it". There's no actual argument overall as to why these rewards should be shifted down, no pros/cons; it's literally "I will do whatever it takes (except the thing that's actually required) to get the item I want". If the coveted piece of glamour hadn't been available from savage, there wouldn't even be a conversation going about whether or not it's fair. The complaint isn't that dyeable gear drops from savage, it's that people don't want to have to put in extra work to get something they happen to want. If the coveted gear had been a PVP reward, the complaints would have then shifted to "but I shouldn't have to do PVP to get glams I want, put it in a dungeon or on a vendor." And, "I want a thing, but I don't want to do the work to get it" is a terrible reason to change reward structures.

This game is already one of the most egalitarian MMOs out there (which I love). You want your kirin, your firebird? You can get them without even having to have the skills to clear current content. You want savage Alexander gear? Go in with a handful of FC mates on a whim. Folks will be able to get the things they're arguing about now insanely easily in a couple of months; if they don't want to wait, they can learn the content now. My friend and I started learning current primal EXs because we loved the wolves, and didn't want to wait for 5.0 to get them, even though we don't usually do high-end content. While I'm 100% for all of the content being made accessible after the fact as it currently is (i.e. through unsyncing and overgearing) and I hate the arguments that "I want my ponies to always be a status symbol" even though they're 3 years out-of-date, a game with absolutely no "high-end" rewards for its difficult content is a terrible idea. And the argument that "oh, they can just make something else the reward instead" is... nonsensical. There's absolutely no inherent difference between giving dyeable gear versus glowy gear versus mounts versus minions versus whatever else comes up; the only difference is that someone has decided that they want the one thing, but not the others.

And that's just self-centred and small-minded.

[YukinoAmidala]

Of course they're going to want it and complain they can't have it.

So they'll do exactly what you're doing now? Your entire argument screams entitlement.

[Vahlnir]

Imo, people shouldn't be rewarded for content they haven't done. I say this as someone who doesn't raid savage or ultimate. If people are patient they'll be able to come back and get what they want in the next expansion at the earliest.

[HyoMinPark]

Of course they're going to want it and complain they can't have it.

Good thing you'll be able to steamroll Neo at level 80 in less than a year's time then. Not that he doesn't already fall over in i380 gear. If you don't want to put in the effort to get something like dyeable Savage gear when it's relevant/synced content, then just wait until you can steamroll it unsynced/undersized.

[Vaer]

Of course they're going to want it and complain they can't have it.




So what? Do you think we live in a world where every request is granted? Is that what your afraid of, that Savage will have exactly the same rewards as normal because somebody requested it?

Uh. What's your point? They don't have to grant the dye request either, right? What I'm getting from your post is "I want my dye stuff, you can put all this other stuff in there since I don't care about it and I only care about what I want." That right?

Classic "I don't care unless it affects me" mentality.

[Edax]

Uh. What's your point? They don't have to grant the dye request either, right? What I'm getting from your post is "I want my dye stuff, you can put all this other stuff in there since I don't care about it and I only care about what I want." That right?

Classic "I don't care unless it affects me" mentality.

And what I get from your post is the slippery slope fallacy.

Good thing you'll be able to steamroll Neo at level 80 in less than a year's time then. Not that he doesn't already fall over in i380 gear. If you don't want to put in the effort to get something like dyeable Savage gear when it's relevant/synced content, then just wait until you can steamroll it unsynced/undersized.

True. Kind of awkward having thing to have to do, just to get my armor dyed though.

[Vaer]

And what I get from your post is the slippery slope fallacy.

I mean it already happened. In 2.0, if you wanted the raid gear or to see the story, you had to raid. People complained. "I just want to see the story, I don't care about the gear." They even threw you a bone, even added the gear that mostly looks like the raid gear and the same minion sometimes that drops in Savage. Fast forward to now "I want the dyeable gear now, too."

[Bright-Flower]

It's a staple of the game at this point.

Want dyable tome gear? Run the alliance raids when they come out. (Or do Savage I think?)
Want dyable AF 3? Get your butt into Anemos.
Want dyable raid gear, run savage.

[HyoMinPark]

True. Kind of awkward having thing to have to do, just to get my armor dyed though.

I mean, you could have it sooner if you want it that badly. But you have to be willing to put in the required effort for it.

[Moomba33]

SE isn't going to be able to make everyone happy on this one.
Whatever incentive you put in Savage, there will be people that want the reward but don't like the content. Same with PVP, same with Eureka, same with pretty much every piece of content in the game.

At least with Savage unsyncing it later is an option unlike the rated Feast rewards which are gone forever once the season is over.