Eureka is still ruined because of Pagos

[Lastelli]

So, to summarize:

1) After almost 2 months of pagos, you only recently reached el 35 and don't even have a full weapon. I'm at a loss. I'm really wondering how much time you spent there...but most of all, how you spent that time. Sneaking behind monsters for the adrenaline rush? It took you 2 months to achieve what I achieved in a week of NM train leeching. Actually, I already have the necessary mats for the weapon, but I just don't care about it. I only wanted to try the content, since after clearing savage there's really not much to do;

2) You're under the illusion that Pagos "does something else", notwithstanding that fact that its core gameplay mechanic is either mob (autoattacking dummies) or fate grinding (these at least have some mildly interesting mechanics) or a combination of the two, both being a staple of the mmorpg/jrpg genre and of ffxiv in particular, both being highly disliked by the community as a whole as diadem proved. Something else indeed.

[Reynhart]

If enough people criticise, then the content has done a piss poor job meeting customer satisfaction. People are allowed to voice their opinion, just as you are voicing yours. The only difference is you're in a distinct minority, and that seems to bother you.

Yes, you do. For the reasons stated above. You're welcome to voice your opinion but said opinion is no more valid than anyone else's.

Yes, but you claim as fact that the majority hate Eureka while having absolutely no signifiant sample of that. That I don't do.

Fun fact, another Eureka hater even admitted than even if Eureka haters stop doing it and even if without them global statistics would show that Eureka would be a successful content when it comes to participation number, he'd still consider is a waste for the game. Another thing that I don't do, or you'd be seeing me everywhere claiming that PvP, Savage and Ultimate are a waste of money...

1) After almost 2 months of pagos, you only recently reached el 35 and don't even have a full weapon.

Sorry, what part of "I've stopped playing FFXIV for a full month to play something else" did you miss ?

I'm at a loss. I'm really wondering how much time you spent there...but most of all, how you spent that time. It took you 2 months to achieve what I achieved in a week of NM train leeching.

Wow, so you hate the content but you still run it enough to rush all that in one week, impressive. I probably spent way less time than you then, because I have no reason to burn that content...Which doesn't change the fact that it's very easy and fast to gain levels, even if, as you pointed out, you do nothing but leech.

[Valenth]

There are ways in-game to make the grind bareable like adding Daily Quests ex. (Beast Tribe/Leves) Now Mo one is even doing Pagos

This. I honestly though Eureka would be like this before it was released. An area with daily/weekly questing, Leves maybe, perhaps dynamically changing environments, attack/defence of hotspots potentially... something more exciting at least, more variety!

Let's hope they'll add some things for Pyros and the area after. At least I'm happy I don't seem limited to being a RDM for max efficiency with the Logos actions? As in, perhaps I can slot a selfheal on my SAM? Or some tank CD to make healing less of a requirement?

[Mutemutt]

Even if you do the dungeons in HW content you can undersize them you can't undersize Eureka or speed it up it is what it is and you can't speed it up unless people come into your group or there's a lot of people I ran dungeons and had PFs up for light farming for A1S and it wasn't bad at all. Most of the playerbase knows the longevity of Eureka is at an all time low which is a shame I was looking forward to it but I can't defend it, it's flawed it's not fun and I've exhausted a lot of time in FFXIV trying to find what I find fun and I thought Eureka was going to be it because it was something i seriously wanted to do with my FC.

You can actually do a lot of Eureka alone because of the potion. If the instance is really empty, the NMs scale down to the point where you can beat them easily with a basic party.

I thought the progress of the previous relics was actually terrible but it's whatever. I've come to expect that relics will just take a while; it's their thing.

[Lastelli]

Sorry, what part of "I've stopped playing FFXIV for a full month to play something else" did you miss ?

Wow, so you hate the content but you still run it enough to rush all that in one week, impressive. I probably spent way less time than you then, because I have no reason to burn that content...Which doesn't change the fact that it's very easy and fast to gain levels, even if, as you pointed out, you do nothing but leech.

So you're defending this "newand exciting" kind of content because you think that it's what the game needs to keep people engaged, yet you quit because you wanted to play something else. How...surprising.

Anyway, I decided to do pagos hoping that the next part of eureka will be better after all the critisism. After all, I could do it while reading/studying...I would give a quick glance at the monitor (full size pagos map) every few minutes and /shout inv pls whenever I saw a fate, so it wasn't too bad. But it sure wasn't engaging. I even tried mob grinding, but it was just too painful. That felt like something I should be paid for to do.

[Reynhart]

So you're defending this "newand exciting" kind of content because you think that it's what the game needs to keep people engaged, yet you quit because you wanted to play something else. How...surprising.

Oh, so because I love a content, I must play FFXIV now ? What kind of reasoning is this ? It's good think I didn't buy Dragon Quest XI yet then, or it would seem to prove that FFXIV is not engaging at all.

But it sure wasn't engaging. I even tried mob grinding, but it was just too painful. That felt like something I should be paid for to do.

You basically described my take on Expert roulette and Tome farming in general. Should I ask for tomestone to just be removed ?

[Lastelli]

Oh, so because I love a content, I must play FFXIV now ? What kind of reasoning is this ? It's good think I didn't buy Dragon Quest XI yet then, or it would seem to prove that FFXIV is not engaging at all.

You basically described my take on Expert roulette and Tome farming in general. Should I ask for tomestone to just be removed ?

Uhmmm...well, you went on for days saying how great and new and interesting pagos is. But you decided to take a break from the game right after pagos was released...to play something else. I guess it's not so great, then.

I'm honestly confused though. You apparently don't like dungeons/anything that involves tomestones, which have been the backbone of the game until anemos. You clearly don't do savage nor ex trials. Once you finally find a piece of content that you like, you quit to play something else. May I ask what kind of content in the game you do like? Are you a hc crafter or gatherer?

[Reynhart]

Uhmmm...well, you went on for days saying how great and new and interesting pagos is. But you decided to take a break from the game right after pagos was released...to play something else. I guess it's not so great, then.

Yeah, took a break to do something else during the holidays.

Once you finally find a piece of content that you like, you quit to play something else. May I ask what kind of content in the game you do like? Are you a hc crafter or gatherer?

Blame my list of pending games, what does it have anything to do with my appreciation of the content ? I did my fair share of Anemos, I just wanted to do something else than playing FFXIV for once. Yet still, I like Eureka, but guess what, once I'm done with my Elemental Great Sword, I'll probably do a break until Pyros and when I finish my Pyros DRK set, I'll probably do a break until the last one. I have no reason to build tons of weapon since I play only one job. That's also the reason why I didn't finish my Anemos sets for all my lvl 70 jobs.

Were they to change Eureka to make it like simply another FFXIV content (No death penalty, weak overworld mobs, copy-pasted chain of event every time you enter the instance), I'd just have no reason to play at all, except the one week when a major patch is released. Which will probably be what I'll do for 5.x since I doubt the formula will change and one piece of Eureka-like content is not enough to keep paying every month.

Just to be clear though, I like dungeons, even if they could be far more interesting. What I don't like is that dungeons have no relevance whatsoever. You do them for a universal reward brushing off everything that actually comes from the dungeon itself. That's why, yes, in my opinion, you souldn't have tome gear, or at least, tome gear should be weaker than dungeon drops, just to be a stepstone. And uncapped tome shouldn't exist at all because it's stupid to have better gear by running dungeons than by running raids, even normal one. But no, I won't ask for it to be removed, as long as I have an alternative to meet the ilvl requirement of content. That's the one thing that Stormblood does better than Heavensward.

[MageBlack]

Then the OP is going to really hate the next zone Pyros and then the final zone they introduce.

[Alleo]

The dev team is not infallible.

I agree with you. Its interesting to say that the devs may always know what they are doing when we have Diadem 1.0 and 2.0 and LoV as examples. And now the next big thing has gotten quite the negative reaction on any forum that I have been and the only reason its not death like Diadem are the weapons that they have put into this.

If they use over a year to create something and people mostly react negative towards it and only a certain part of the playerbase does it, then maybe that would have been time and budget they could have spent on something else.