Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Tanks like that are the reason I leave Dzemael Darkhold on sight if the tank tries to pull big. They are going to die, every single time. I've tried everything from Holy to PoM + Largesse + Cure II spam with both Med II & Regen up and nothing works. Its not worth the healer's time to deal with it.

Uh, no they aren't. I have done that pull hundreds of times now and very rarely have an issue. The mobs receive a severe damage down debuff if brought into the purple light. You can tuck yourself into the corner behind the crates and they do paltry damage—so much so you barely need cooldowns. Either the tank wasn't pulling them into the light or you aren't healing. Considering you can't even acquire Medica II until level 50, and you would never use it for single target healing. I'm inclined to believe the tank wasn't the problem...

[kikix12]

If your DPS are awake, the only add you’ll see is the Marshal, which does put a regen on the Princess if the two of them tether together. So, instead of wasting time killing him, the healer either kites him or the party tries to burn through the regen.

Um..You exaggerate. It doesn't take much to kill her before the adds do much of anything, but it's not something that requires the DPS to simply do their thing. If the group is not comprised of people synced down but instead of people leveling, the mobs will get down and start whacking on the healer. And that's what happened in this case too, whatever the reason for that.

What I said is that if it DOES happen, there is no reason why a tank shouldn't take the aggro off of the healer. It's simple math really. A tank can get all of em in a single skill that for Warrior and less so for Dark Knight will even deal some damage. And if they do, the healer can add on their DPS without interruptions, which far out-do the loss of one skill from a tank in any case you would actually do it (aka. if the queen is not about to die).

In any case where a healer needs to actually kite the adds, it's better for the tank to take them. Simple.

[HyoMinPark]

Um..You exaggerate. It doesn't take much to kill her before the adds do much of anything, but it's not something that requires the DPS to simply do their thing. If the group is not comprised of people synced down but instead of people leveling, the mobs will get down and start whacking on the healer. And that's what happened in this case too, whatever the reason for that.

What I said is that if it DOES happen, there is no reason why a tank shouldn't take the aggro off of the healer. It's simple math really. A tank can get all of em in a single skill that for Warrior and less so for Dark Knight will even deal some damage. And if they do, the healer can add on their DPS without interruptions, which far out-do the loss of one skill from a tank in any case you would actually do it (aka. if the queen is not about to die).

In any case where a healer needs to actually kite the adds, it's better for the tank to take them. Simple.

Again, even if your DPS are leveling, if they’re doing what they’re supposed to be doing (DPSing), you’ll usually see the Marshal only. If the other adds do spawn, she’s at sub-5% and you don’t need to tank them or kite them before she falls over. I’ve done this dungeon countless times; what you’re describing has never been an issue. Kiting the adds as a healer was the strat when 2.0 launched, and it’s not like it’s that hard of a thing to do if it comes down to it either. The damage they do is laughable at best since all outgoing damage in ARR dungeons was nerfed with HW’s launch.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Again, even if your DPS are leveling, if they’re doing what they’re supposed to be doing (DPSing), you’ll usually see the Marshal only. If the other adds do spawn, she’s at sub-5% and you don’t need to tank them or kite them before she falls over. I’ve done this dungeon countless times; what you’re describing has never been an issue. Kiting the adds as a healer was the strat when 2.0 launched, and it’s not like it’s that hard of a thing to do if it comes down to it either. The damage they do is laughable at best since all outgoing damage in ARR dungeons was nerfed with HW’s launch.

Adding to this, the Queen gets a regen if the Marshal is near by hence why the strat has always been kiting the add around. Nowadays, even leveling DPS will be more than capable of burning her log before it even matters. I've done this on an alt who still had some level 20ish stuff. It really doesn't matter anymore, but no, that isn't remotely an exaggeration.

[kikix12]

Again, even if your DPS are leveling, if they’re doing what they’re supposed to be doing (DPSing), you’ll usually see the Marshal only. If the other adds do spawn, she’s at sub-5% and you don’t need to tank them or kite them before she falls over.

It is entirely irrelevant here and I have no idea why you even keep picking at it. If what you say was the case 100% of the time the original post or others with similar experience wouldn't even exist. Newsflash, they do. As a healer and as a tank both in that dungeon I came across parties that more than saw the adds while the queen wasn't down low enough to be burned with the party ignoring them. Sure, there were also times when she died second or two after the second add spawn, but basing what you write on that is like basing how easy or difficult King Mog is because you can uncync it nowadays.

I am trying to explain to you that if the DPS is not high enough (FOR WHATEVER REASON) to down her fast enough before the adds do start causing problems for the healer (which DOES HAPPEN), then it is more efficient for the tank to grab the mobs off of the healer. You are basically saying that I'm wrong because party never should actually see the adds. It's like talking about two entirely different things.


And it's hilarious that one of the arguments for kiting used by you two is about the marshal healing the queen...when I didn't even get to notice it once. Seriously, I didn't know that until now because the healing never was relevant enough for me to notice, even on those slower runs where the DPS of the party was not up to par.



Also, it's not about it being "hard" or "easy". It's easier to go at a dungeon group by group instead of pulling stuff between the walls, and yet people choose the wall-to-wall option. Do you know why?! Because it's more efficient. Like it's more efficient for the healer to not be down half the time to kite (which, by the way, is impossible with high latency) in exchange for only one tank global cooldown. And it doesn't confuse newer players either, unlike this strategy which is done in probably only this dungeon in the whole game (though I may be wrong here).

Now, I don't dismiss this strategy at 2.0, but it's not the same thing. Heck, you yourselves have proven the point. Back then maybe tanking the adds would put a strain on the tank that'd require downing them and healing the tank, and that's less efficient than burning the queen. Now however, it no longer is the case.

[kikix12]

Didn’t realize I needed permission to pitch in my two-cents about how the content is usually done.

There were at least two people (I think three) that said that very same thing before I posted. And I never dismissed that. That means that you replying to me specifically highly implied that what I wrote is wrong, using completely different circumstances to boot.

You should probably calm down a bit.

But the kiting one is the most common one that I have seen in duty finder even to this day. Again, calm down.

I never denied that. I merely said that it is not (not anymore anyway) the most efficient in the situation that it actually matters how you deal with the adds. The "in the situation" being the important thing that you repeatedly ignore, even now.


But whatever. Continuing this is not worth the time.

[Skivvy]

The bad part of that tactic is that these mobs deal paltry damage to tanks, so the healer should just bring the mobs to tank, he should Flash/Overpower/Unleash and the mobs could STILL be ignored, but the healer does not need to run like a headless chicken anymore and can actually attack to make the boss go down faster.

I do wish you would have quoted more than just my first sentence. It continued with:

The healer-kiting-the-adds is a rather tried and true tactic for that fight :X I don't think it's necessary these these days, but that's how we always did it at the launch of the game (at least all the times I ended up there). Perhaps it's just someone who played early on and still uses that method?

By snipping it to just the first line, it makes it seem like I was advocating the kiting method to be the only viable one, when I stated in the next sentence that I don't think it's necessary any longer. I'm not saying it was intentionally don't to give that effect, just wanted to clarify my comment as it was used as the base to spawn this entire last page of conversation.

Anyhoo, these are the petty things that bother me first thing in the morning evidently. lol.

[TaiyoShikasu]

Legit never knew the Marshal healed the Queen. Tanking that dungeon, just see an add and grab it. And then ignore it and keep wailing on the boss because it's not Brayflox and adds don't matter.

[Speaks]

I put off running o12n this week till this morning since I was busy farming Suzaku Ex for my alt jobs.

I experienced across 4 different parties

- 3 vote abandons
- 16 total wipes across all instances
- At LEAST two healers who were so incredibly incompetent that the other healer was carrying the ENTIRE Hps for the raid. This means I was eating busters in second phase with no healing for up to 2GCDs as a WAR.

Finally requeued on my PLD out of frustration and cleared through clemencying myself constantly. Mizuki, if you are out there I want you to know I requeued after our clear and it didn't get better.

As for the potatoe SCH who told me I "die too much" after not healing me at ALL or shielding me and then pulling piss poor healing and making the WHM who was actually decent at the game work twice as hard; you suck lol

[BillyKaplan]

Just got out of o11n. Our DRK was there to grief. Pulled and then took the boss on a merry journey around the arena. He did it lowkey at first, then really took a turn for the hardcore when we asked them to stop, not only going west to east but diagonally across the arena. Once the stage changed to the dps check they intentionally got themselves killed on the outer edge, so we took one meteor (for a mercy, everyone else stood where they were supposed to). The second miracle was that after Omega came back and the PLD provoked, they didn't start an agro war - they just stood there doing nothing, not stacking, not taking the tether, anything, they just ran around. Finally at about the 20% HP mark they realized we weren't going to start yelling at them, and we were likely going to clear because we had two capable healers and two raising casters, so they figured it was faster to actually pull their weight than afk for the entire thing.