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  1. #17431
    Player
    ChaoticCrimson's Avatar
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    Subspace
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    Character
    Crimson Law
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Yojimzo View Post
    Gotta get that big deeps VerFlare/Holy tho.
    /s
    Hilarious given that E.Moulinet with enough enemies would actually improve the deeps. Hitting four mobs with four E.Moulinets (using Manafication) will have a fairly significant amount of total potency compared to a single-target Enchanted melee combo, even with Verflare/holy, over 800 more points of potency if my math isn't failing me. Even with three hits on all four mobs outdoes the single melee combo. Single-target only really benefits when you have one or two mobs with decent health pools or the bosses themselves.

    edit: and before I forget, yes I know you're being sarcastic lol, just adding the facts
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  2. #17432
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    Kuukyo's Avatar
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    Sep 2018
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Horu Miyoshi
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 70
    I queued as an Astrologan to help my friend level up her Bard in Cutter's Cry, and we ran into two other players, a Warrior and a Dragoon from Famfrit, from which later I assume they also queued together as me and my friend. Everything went very smoothly until the first boss, when we got the first boss to 50% that she started to spawn a lot of minions, I started to notice the mobs targeting me and more mobs spawning afterwards also targeted me while Dragoon and Warrior were just attacking the Queen. My DPS friend are new to this game so she is learning and she did not talk in this game. Here's the link from our full conversation after the first boss.

    Some parts are cut due to my inexperience of print-screening, and because of my term of no name-shaming, I decide to leave their world open, but names hidden (Green - Healer; Blue - Tank; Red - DPS; my friend did not contribute in this chat).

    https://imgur.com/a/BLtwGHw

    I was so mad that I just stopped talking in party chat and were unable to fully explain the Chimera's mechanic to my friend. It is so frustrating to play with this type of people.
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  3. #17433
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    Skivvy's Avatar
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    Character
    Boo Box
    World
    Rafflesia
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuukyo View Post
    I queued as an Astrologan to help my friend level up her Bard in Cutter's Cry, and we ran into two other players, a Warrior and a Dragoon from Famfrit, from which later I assume they also queued together as me and my friend. Everything went very smoothly until the first boss, when we got the first boss to 50% that she started to spawn a lot of minions, I started to notice the mobs targeting me and more mobs spawning afterwards also targeted me while Dragoon and Warrior were just attacking the Queen. My DPS friend are new to this game so she is learning and she did not talk in this game. Here's the link from our full conversation after the first boss.

    Some parts are cut due to my inexperience of print-screening, and because of my term of no name-shaming, I decide to leave their world open, but names hidden (Green - Healer; Blue - Tank; Red - DPS; my friend did not contribute in this chat).

    https://imgur.com/a/BLtwGHw

    I was so mad that I just stopped talking in party chat and were unable to fully explain the Chimera's mechanic to my friend. It is so frustrating to play with this type of people.
    The healer-kiting-the-adds is a rather tried and true tactic for that fight :X I don't think it's necessary these these days, but that's how we always did it at the launch of the game (at least all the times I ended up there). Perhaps it's just someone who played early on and still uses that method?

    I'm sorry the run was upsetting, but I'm not really seeing anything to where they were being asses. :X Looks like they explained how to handle that particular fight without getting crazy.

    Hopefully you can shake off any bad feelings from the run and go back to enjoying the game with your friend
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    Last edited by Skivvy; 10-03-2018 at 11:29 AM.

  4. #17434
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    Vidu's Avatar
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    Vidu Moriquendi
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    My boyfriend (on BLM) and I (on paladin) tried to get our loot from Alphascape NM today and had a very intresting run of 4 - I dont even remember what exactly it was that went wrong, because it was such a whole lot: DPS and healers constantly dying to... something, I dont even know how they managed to find any damage to take, but they did.

    Eventually we reach the split-phase and somehow the two DPS assigned to him were dead on the floor the whole time, I dont know if the healers didnt bother to get them up at all or they just died over and over again, but since the healers also took turns lying on the floor the first option wouldnt surprise me. My boyfriend and the other DPS who was assigned to the lady manage to kill her though - at that point he is at 37% HP left. Both healers are up though and slowly starting to raise the dead DPS, but cant keep up with the outgoing raid-wide damage. I dont know why - maybe not paying attention, maybe... I really dont know.
    At 10% HP left, everyone except me, my boyfriend and the other tank - a warrior whos maintanking - are dead.
    ...so I start spamming clemency on my boyfriend - after each cast, a clemency.
    3% and I miss a cast, because I'm trying to get some more DPS in. Boyfriend is dead.
    But! the other tank and I actually manage to kill her at that point.

    It was both the most amazing and most annoying NM-raid I ever did, I think. I just wished I could have locked everyone, especially the healers and the two constant-dead-dps, out of the loot... I had this very strong feeling of non of them deserving any of it.
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  5. #17435
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    Moomba33's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Eva Gamirdren
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 100
    I always kite the adds when I'm in Cutter's Cry as healer. Once in a while I'll get a tank that tries to grab them off me but usually they leave me be.
    It is unusual compared to how other fights in the game are done so I can see how people could be on different pages if no strategy is discussed beforehand.
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  6. #17436
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    valho's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Vita Rena
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuukyo View Post
    I queued as an Astrologan to help my friend level up her Bard in Cutter's Cry, and we ran into two other players, a Warrior and a Dragoon from Famfrit, from which later I assume they also queued together as me and my friend. Everything went very smoothly until the first boss, when we got the first boss to 50% that she started to spawn a lot of minions, I started to notice the mobs targeting me and more mobs spawning afterwards also targeted me while Dragoon and Warrior were just attacking the Queen. My DPS friend are new to this game so she is learning and she did not talk in this game. Here's the link from our full conversation after the first boss.

    Some parts are cut due to my inexperience of print-screening, and because of my term of no name-shaming, I decide to leave their world open, but names hidden (Green - Healer; Blue - Tank; Red - DPS; my friend did not contribute in this chat).

    https://imgur.com/a/BLtwGHw

    I was so mad that I just stopped talking in party chat and were unable to fully explain the Chimera's mechanic to my friend. It is so frustrating to play with this type of people.
    He is not wrong though, basically the DPS burn the boss and healer kite the adds, this has been done since the game started. The tank themself required little healing for this boss. But nowdays usually the adds are simply ignore and DPS burn the boss, you probably will only get 2-3 adds spawn instead of a bunch in the old days.
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  7. #17437
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    Magnedeus's Avatar
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    Character
    Arngrim Lightheart
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 80
    Was tanking Alphascape V3 and my god that was a horrid mess of a run. The first wipe was because most of the group didn't charge the gauge during the Omega's ultimate. And the rest were mainly because of the star/lar mechanic/aoe's with vun stacks. After 5 wipes I initiated a vote abandon, which they say no to. I left in a heartbeat and felt bad for the tank that had to deal with that group. Don't know if that fight is very heal intensive, or the healers were just that bad.
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  8. #17438
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    Ceridwenae's Avatar
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    Kheeziah Toastie
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuukyo View Post
    I queued as an Astrologan to help my friend level up her Bard in Cutter's Cry, and we ran into two other players, a Warrior and a Dragoon from Famfrit, from which later I assume they also queued together as me and my friend. Everything went very smoothly until the first boss, when we got the first boss to 50% that she started to spawn a lot of minions, I started to notice the mobs targeting me and more mobs spawning afterwards also targeted me while Dragoon and Warrior were just attacking the Queen. My DPS friend are new to this game so she is learning and she did not talk in this game. Here's the link from our full conversation after the first boss.

    Some parts are cut due to my inexperience of print-screening, and because of my term of no name-shaming, I decide to leave their world open, but names hidden (Green - Healer; Blue - Tank; Red - DPS; my friend did not contribute in this chat).

    https://imgur.com/a/BLtwGHw

    I was so mad that I just stopped talking in party chat and were unable to fully explain the Chimera's mechanic to my friend. It is so frustrating to play with this type of people.
    Mostly what others have said, the only thing I'd add is if the DPS is lacking, the party may need to murder the Marshal as it heals the princess, which for the obvious reasons, no one wants. Haven't had to do this myself as far as I can recall, however.
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  9. #17439
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    Kleeya's Avatar
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    Kleeya White
    World
    Shiva
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    I seriously didn't believe yesterday how many times i did end up out of mana in alphascape normal, with lucid dreaming still on a cooldown for nearly two whole minutes, on my rdm because of people dying so much left and right, and healers not rezzing when they are not dead. It was so awful that several times i couldn't even attack anymore, because i can't do much with 300 points of mana left.

    I sure hope that these runs dont end up on fflogs because my dps must have been utter garbage. Not because of me, i actually did an awesome healer job, but because of the other players. Fflogs needs a serious overhaul on the way the firsts stats you see about a player are showed. It is not right that i didn't die, saved the raid by raising so much, but still would end up with "boouuuhhh booouuuhhh you are grey you are bad and you should feel bad" comments of people looking only at the dps on the first page and nothing else.
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  10. #17440
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    Vidu's Avatar
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    Vidu Moriquendi
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Not DF, but PF: I'm trying to get my Tsukuyomi-Dog (at leats that one has a pretty color-scheme), so I'm hoping from PF-group to PF-group, mostly as bard.

    The last one I was in had a second bard - I'm not a fan of double-bard, because usually the other one isnt paying any attention whatsoever to my buffs and happly overwrites them. Even if I let them go first, so that our buffs should fit in well with each other during the whole fight - they forget to use their Battle Voice and when I use mine eventually they must remember they have that skill... and overwrite it. They start singing Foes 3 seconds after my cast ended and use refresh totally out of place (aka: not together with their Foes, but just... whenever). I rarely have a good experience with a second bard.

    This one was... special though - doing all what I mentioned above, but also... I noticed during the fight that I didnt had the 2% crit-buff that you get from a bard using one of their songs constantly. Infact, it was often missing for a whole minute or more. I almost messed up mechanics looking for it in my buffbar, because I couldnt believe it. It seemed so strange to me that I wouldnt get that buff, because surely, a level 70 would be using one song constantly, right?
    But everyone else has the buff - from me, so it cant be range!
    So... I ask the bard if they're using their songs constantly and I get a german reply. No one but me and that bard speaks german, I'm a little pissed already - thats just rude.
    But what he tells me is even worse:
    "Yes, I'm using them quite often"
    "Okay, but are you having one song up AT ALL TIMES?"
    "Oh, no, I dont, but I can try to do that"
    "...you should, its bard 101"

    They actually got better at keeping their songs up, but I just wanted to bang my head on my desk. Thats nothing a bard should discover at level 70. In an Ex-primal farm.
    I'm not even sure if they realised what their songs are doing and what benefits they get from those - and I honestly didnt feel like teaching them their basic skills during Tsuyu Ex.
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