A little scared of the future

[Vidu]

I wish to add a final message, despite my hate towards that run now (i tend to easily hold grudges to things like this) i decided to do it a few more times for training.

That bolded part is the attitude you should keep! ;D

Just because something doesnt work out the first time doesnt mean its to difficult or that you should hold a grudge or get upset about - thats how stuff is sometimes in life and videogames. Maybe you had a bad party. Or maybe you hadnt figured out a good way to use your own skills yet. Or maybe something took you by surprise.
I remember (painfully...) how many tries it took me to beat Efrye in FFX... okay, no, I actually dont remember how many, because its one blury, painful afternoon from 10 years ago.
Just yesterday I was playing a game called Epistory and some fights took me 2 or 3 times to beat - but thats okay! At least I'm not bored by it!

Sometimes things will go wrong and the question you should ask yourself isnt "Is this content to difficult?" but "Mmh, what went wrong here and how can we fix this?" - maybe its your group, maybe its you, maybe its both.
But shying away from anything that even remotely looks like it could end up being a tiny challenge is what will make this game boring and bland for everyone in the long run.

Dont give up at the first little bumper and "cry for nerfs" (even though I do acknowledge that thats not excatly what you did, but honestly: close enough).
Not everything has or will go smooth during the first try - not even in casual content. And that has nothing to do with "savage diffculty" (man, I wish, that it would be only one wipe in savage... instead of two hours of wiping to a boss the whole group actually cleared already... I disgress) - it has something to do with you actually being required to know your toolkit, know basic mechanics and execute them - all fairly reasonable for someone who reached the max level of a game.

[Blokeymon]

I wish to add a final message, despite my hate towards that run now (i tend to easily hold grudges to things like this) i decided to do it a few more times for training. And in both times i pretty much sailed trough. Didnt even need medica 2, largesse or presence of mind. No deaths, 3 commends, happy days. 2nd run was similair. So it mightve been the element of surprise/initial shock to this individual dungeon that lead to a false conclusion, and i apologize. Saint mociannes arbotreum was normal/slightly challenging difficulty and that passed with flying colors on 1st attempt.

For the ones who intended to make this a healthy discussion, thanks. ;3

I'm glad you finally got some parties with people who weren't idiots!

[Sylvina]

Yeah I got really down on burn once after getting a group with really dumb dps who always ran from heals when i went as healer, but not all groups are like that it turns out.

[TaiyoShikasu]

>Comparing 24mans to Savage and EX

I too think math is difficult.

[Sylvina]

The Math part I rarely ever fail and when I do it's because i was too slow to get into my circle due to tunnel vision. However dispose sometimes murders me as healer or caster dps if I'm too far from the boss when he starts.

[TalonAnchors]

Will I admit that the DPS check on the Mist Dragon is tighter than usual? Yes.

Huh? There's no DPS check on Mist Dragon

[Ramesses]

That bolded part is the attitude you should keep! ;D

Just because something doesnt work out the first time doesnt mean its to difficult or that you should hold a grudge or get upset about - thats how stuff is sometimes in life and videogames. Maybe you had a bad party. Or maybe you hadnt figured out a good way to use your own skills yet. Or maybe something took you by surprise.
I remember (painfully...) how many tries it took me to beat Efrye in FFX... okay, no, I actually dont remember how many, because its one blury, painful afternoon from 10 years ago.
Just yesterday I was playing a game called Epistory and some fights took me 2 or 3 times to beat - but thats okay! At least I'm not bored by it!

Sometimes things will go wrong and the question you should ask yourself isnt "Is this content to difficult?" but "Mmh, what went wrong here and how can we fix this?" - maybe its your group, maybe its you, maybe its both.
But shying away from anything that even remotely looks like it could end up being a tiny challenge is what will make this game boring and bland for everyone in the long run.

Dont give up at the first little bumper and "cry for nerfs" (even though I do acknowledge that thats not excatly what you did, but honestly: close enough).
Not everything has or will go smooth during the first try - not even in casual content. And that has nothing to do with "savage diffculty" (man, I wish, that it would be only one wipe in savage... instead of two hours of wiping to a boss the whole group actually cleared already... I disgress) - it has something to do with you actually being required to know your toolkit, know basic mechanics and execute them - all fairly reasonable for someone who reached the max level of a game.

Yes, exactly this.... and great response to the Op

The alarming trend I've been seeing recently is a flurry of complaints all because one couldn't get past a battle first try. Can't give up just because there were some hiccups during the first try... or even first few tries. That sort of attitude just reveals an innate laziness to be driven to succeed... everything can't got perfect at first try.

[Knahli]

Since the OP had her resolution, I'll take the opportunity to add my personal feelings on the dungeon and simply say that... if Mist Dragon stayed as difficult as it was forever and could not be "outgeared" - and that became a standard for pretty much every dungeon going forward - I would be very happy, have much more fun and feel enticed to roulette more(I have neglected it for a very long time and only started again very recently).

Its not "hard" but you certainly are not beyond dying or even wiping if you let yourself daydream - and that's how I feel roulettes should be. Something engaging, albeit not frustrating or tedious.

[Tint]

Huh? There's no DPS check on Mist Dragon

Actually there is one, when he jumps away the first time and spawns 3 adds / heads wich have to be killed before the aoe on the ground grows too big.

Yes, it is a bit tighter than usual, but still not that hard. We can expect a little check for the DDs from time to time, when tanks and especially healers getting checked all the time, no?

[Sylvina]

Definitely a dps check on dragon, it's just not a hard dps check which auto wipes you if you fail. Instead it ALMOST guarantees you wipe, unless you really outgear the dungeon.