What is with people?

[Neri]

While I'd love nothing more than to believe the several people who miraculously showed up in the thread claiming witness, none of them have provided evidence. My takeaway is this. If tank really did suck, at least he wasn't dumb enough to get caught breaking tos like party guy

Someone mentioned external source like reddit to see how the TC was doing on the run. It seems someone who was in the same pt as the TC had parsed him. If you understand the parse, you would see how this topic has become a thing.

[HellSpawnHero]

Someone mentioned external source like reddit to see how the TC was doing on the run. It seems someone who was in the same pt as the TC had parsed him. If you understand the parse, you would see how this topic has become a thing.

You can't submit a report using tos breaking software though, which was my point.

[Dirwen]

Not trying to take the OPs side but kicking him was fine if bad game play. The thing that gets me is the added rude comment to him after the kick. There was no need for that. People insult others behind their backs for a reason. XD

[TaranTatsuuchi]

You can't submit a report using tos breaking software though, which was my point.

They could have reported him based on his actions taken during the instance, which supposedly were disruptive enough to count as harassment in their opinion.


The links to third-party data were to show people what the person was doing, and not as something to be used to report Square Enix.

[KuuroYuuki]

They could have reported him based on his actions taken during the instance, which supposedly were disruptive enough to count as harassment in their opinion.


The links to third-party data were to show people what the person was doing, and not as something to be used to report Square Enix.

you cant report ppl because he cant play properly. OP cant play tank properly not because he want to insult the rest of party,he just dont understand how to tank.
there is no reason to ban OP if they report to GM anyway.

what will GM say if ppl who cant play properly in GM jail if that thing is reportable? "Sorry you are banned for 7 days because you are not git gut"?(joke aside)

[Vidu]

you cant report ppl because he cant play properly. OP cant play tank properly not because he want to insult the rest of party,he just dont understand how to tank.
there is no reason to ban OP if they report to GM anyway.

what will GM say if ppl who cant play properly in GM jail if that thing is reportable? "Sorry you are banned for 7 days because you are not git gut"?(joke aside)

First off: You can obviously try to report anyone for anything, if you believe there is a reason to. (and as long as you do it in "good faith", aka actually having reason to believe that there is something going on, I dont think it would cause as abuse of the report function - see something fishy? Report it - if it turns out that it wasnt a poorly programmed bot but someones cat accidently stepping all over the keyboard, it wont be an issue)

Second: The problem here is that what the OP was doing can easly be classified as griefing and harrassment - stealing aggro, spinning the boss, not reacting to anything said in partychat, wiping the party as result of all of this... thats all behaviour someone who would be intentionally griefing the party would show aswell and you cant really tell (in the moment) which is which. He wouldnt be reported because he played bad but because he played in a way that was harmful for the party.

And sorry, "he just dont understand to tank" doesnt really fly as an excuse when we're talking about the current raidtier, even if its just NM. He had at the very least 10 previous raids and probably about 20 primal-fights or so to figure out that in a group with 2 tanks, one is the MT and the other one isnt supposed to steal aggro.
I dont think its a far fetched expectation to assume that someone who has reached Alphascape 3 is familiar with that basics of their job - and I mean basics, not worldfirstclearplay. Stuff like your rotation, the difference between tank-stance and off-stance for a tank, moving out of AoEs, knowing how to handle a stack marker
OP even said that himself:

Yeah i get what you mean, as for the whole learning your class that's something you should know before you reach endgame content.

...yet, he doesnt - or at least didnt when he entered that run.

I would have believed that a person playing like that was nothing but a troll and deserved a report for griefing, instead of assuming that its just someone who doesnt know better. Someone who doesnt know better simply shouldnt be in that content (and apparently even OP agrees to that), specially not when unwilling to take advice - which circles back to harrassment, in a broad sense of the word: Chosing to stay at a level of play that ruins runs for 3-23 people.

[KaivaC]

I would have believed that a person playing like that was nothing but a troll and deserved a report for griefing, instead of assuming that its just someone who doesnt know better. Someone who doesnt know better simply should be in that content, specially not when unwilling to take advice - which circles back to harrassment, in a broad sense of the word: Chosing to stay at a level of play that ruins runs for 3-23 people.

This is the thing that completely baffles me. Ice mages and hardcasting RDMs aside, how is it possible to get to level 70 and not know something as basic as your aggro combo? And we know he didn't jump because the last time he brought up an issue and got caught, he was a level 51 paladin. Like, this is the most basic combo you get as a PLD...heck, you get those as a Gladiator. I'm legitimately lost.

[SkyEdge1]

Hold up, hold the chocobo right up! 20 pages....20 bleeding pages over that?!? SERIOUSLY, that was it? Basically someone told you to 'git gud' and it registers 20 pages? Holy Hydalean I thought it was some absolutely horrible swear word laden rant where every single one of your ancestors were insulted in the process. Dear god though man, take it on the cheek and move on!

[Lumivyory]

Hold up, hold the chocobo right up! 20 pages....20 bleeding pages over that?!? SERIOUSLY, that was it? Basically someone told you to 'git gud' and it registers 20 pages? Holy Hydalean I thought it was some absolutely horrible swear word laden rant where every single one of your ancestors were insulted in the process. Dear god though man, take it on the cheek and move on!

You should definetely read all 20 pages, I promise it's worth it
And take some popcorn

[SkyEdge1]

You should definetely read all 20 pages, I promise it's worth it
And take some popcorn

...I did...now we gotta throw the whole dang forums away