what is it with these damn elitists in this game?

[Gemina]

Eh that's not an elitist, real elitist have their own statics/friends for practicing stuff with and if they're pugging it, trust me they expect you to fail so flying off the handle doesn't happen much.

I feel like since this game is so easy and the combat is really boring that people's tolerance levels are lower, atleast I know that's how it is with me and my group of friends. We could play any other game where there's much, much more on the line if we fail and takes way longer to get groups together. We're ok with that and if someone messes up it's not that big a deal.

What, so which is it? In one clause you say an elitist will expect failures in a PUG, and in the next you say that combat is easy and boring so they have less tolerance for mistakes. Color me confused.

Getting into the semantics behind what is and isn't an elitist is probably neither here or there, but I will point out that the mentality that content is too easy and boring to fail mechanics is exactly what leads to players lashing out at others. If you find mechanics so easy and boring, then you should probably be the first person to explain them to the person that just failed them. This leads me to your second comment.

Giving advice with this community is the same as insulting them lol. There's been many times where I tell a healer to not only use cure2 &3 cause it'll drain their mana only for them to call me a "shit tank that pulls too much".

No, it is not. The reason why this "advice" is deemed insulting by the recipient is because 90% of the time the player is being told how to play their job instead of how to avoid the mechanic itself. Mana reservation, proper rotations, efficient use of mitigative CDs... none of this has any bearing when you need to tank swap at 3+ stacks, pass a debuff to another player, or deliberately take one in order to avoid death. Also, an instance is no place for a 'how to play _____ job 101'.

Here, we're "gogogogogo pull" and when people mess up it's like how? It's so easy how could you not get that? Like people that run away on stack up markers at level 70.

Again with the 'it's so easy how could you fail?" mentality. This is actually the mentality of what I personally consider an elitist. Should I point out that tanks have ridiculous HP pools and are not targeted by 80% of the game's mechanics? Should I mention mechanics that require some players to actually stay out of the stack marker, or they will die? Should I also mention you can get to 70 without ever seeing a single stack marker? If you are called a schite tank that pulls too much, have you ever considered that you might actually be a schite tank who is pulling too much? I would be hard pressed to take advice on how to play my job from someone equally less receptive on how to play theirs. Just sayin'.

[OurMom]

What, so which is it? In one clause you say an elitist will expect failures in a PUG, and in the next you say that combat is easy and boring so they have less tolerance for mistakes. Color me confused.

The second part wasn't about elitist but people in general.

Getting into the semantics behind what is and isn't an elitist is probably neither here or there

It's really not semantics, the xiv community has no clue what an elitist is, at all. Someone that expects some one to do the basics of their job? Elitist. Expect someone to know their rotation at level 70? Elitist. Tired of wiping 10+ times to the same thing? Elitist. Acting like a douchebage? Elitist. Like sausage over bacon? Elitist.

None of that is what elitist means at all and the thread is "omg elitist are mean to me" instead of "omg this person was a jerk"

The reason why this "advice" is deemed insulting by the recipient is because 90% of the time the player is being told how to play their job instead of how to avoid the mechanic itself. Mana reservation, proper rotations, efficient use of mitigative CDs... none of this has any bearing when you need to tank swap at 3+ stacks, pass a debuff to another player, or deliberately take one in order to avoid death. Also, an instance is no place for a 'how to play _____ job 101'.

That's false there's been countless times where people have been like "Hey when this happen keep on the look out for X and then do Y" and that's still some how elitist and usually met with hostility its why the playerbase in general will just watch people screw up most of the time and not say anything. Or would rather just kick instead of possibly getting reported for being "toxic" and giving advice (hell go into the DF vent thread and there's loads of people that say they don't like advice they like to figure things out on their own. Be around during the first few hours of any patch and a lot of the people prefer to run content at this time because they dont want advice/to be spoiled).

So I should be the first to give advice but then I shouldn't give advice because it's in an instance? A healer with bad mana management from using the wrong skills has nothing to do with the rest of what you said. We can't even make it to the boss if we're dying on ONE pack of mobs cause he's spamming cure 3. Which I then told him "Hey it's easy to get confused here since other mmos the higher skills is what you replace the lower one with" just to again be met with hostility? I shouldn't have to kiss someone's ass and baby them when they can't be bothered to read the tool tips.

This is actually the mentality of what I personally consider an elitist.

It's not elitist at all you can not get to level 70 without seeing the stack up marker it's in the story quests.

Should I point out that tanks have ridiculous HP pools and are not targeted by 80% of the game's mechanics? Should I mention mechanics that require some players to actually stay out of the stack marker, or they will die?

What does that have to do with anything? I don't main tank, I main monk and before that it was white mage. Some people have multiple accounts/characters. Stack up markers are different than the other markers, do you play this game at all?

If you are called a schite tank that pulls too much, have you ever considered that you might actually be a schite tank who is pulling too much? I would be hard pressed to take advice on how to play my job from someone equally less receptive on how to play theirs. Just sayin'.

N O P E. Wanna know why? Cause I was pulling 2 packs of mobs at most and the healer was still running out of mana with just 1 pack and on the boss because again. They were spamming Cure 2 &3.

Did you ever consider that some players are just shit? Some people don't want to learn? And some people think that others should carry them? You trying to make excuses for a healer that spams cure 2&3 is why a lot of bads are ok remaining bad that's not being elitist, you're just playing the class wrong. If you are not able to make it through one fight not due to failing to mechanics, you're doing something wrong. Fix it.

Notice how you're extremely hostile towards me when all I did was talk about how some people need to improve. Thanks for proving my point.

[MoroMurasaki]

Should I also mention you can get to 70 without ever seeing a single stack marker?

I know I just responded to you somewhere else so just wanted to preface with I'm sorry I promise I'm not a stalker xD We just apparently frequent the same threads.

This is just a pet peeve of mine - you can not get into 70 content without seeing stack markers. Let's assume someone purchases a story skip and level skip to start at 60 in SB.

Sirensong first boss, Susano, Doma Castle second boss, Lakshmi and Shinryu normal (which is the final gate to opening up most 70 content) all have stack mechanics. You literally can't get to 70 without seeing stacks in all of these instances.