How does FFXIV fare against other modern MMORPGs?

[Kewitt]

Coming here you are going to get a good bias.
It comes down to what you are looking for.
It up on par with all sub based MMOs.

[Stanelis]

IF you can get that kind of ridiculous gear.

When I last played, like last year I think it was.... yeah last year... the gear that one could get solo did not let you "WS every few seconds" whatsoever. Basic entry-level 119 gear that took forever to get while solo and getting a group in modern days? lol. Yeah right.

They did add the "handout 119" stuff (or rather updated 117) right before I left, but even that gear was rather weak, barely 119 from what I read. Looked like it was a bit under-budgeted just to push your Trusts up to full power.

To get anything good, you had to do Ambuscade (nobody wanted you because you couldn't do the hard mode with that kind of gear, nor could you solo the easier modes very well because most Ambuscades had mobs that were VERY solo un-friendly with AoEs that the AI trusts could not handle whatsoever) or get Su3 gear.

To get Su3 gear, you had to do months and months and months of JP grinding on a specific job (it was not character wide, mind you) and then pay tens of millions of gil per piece, if any pieces were actually up on the market (family member took 3 weeks+ to finally get the set for her THF) and even then you're still out on jewelry. Have fun grinding old content to get starter gear before you can even THINK about starting new content, IF you could find a group of people who don't mind carrying a newbie to get caught up.

So they finally made combat OK, but only if you have top of the line gear which you're never going to get without years of grinding and preparing.

That's somehow better?

I m mostly talking about ambuscade gear and UNM weapons (montante +1) here, nothing extravagant. And you can definitely do the hard mode in low difficulty setting with lower end gear, they can be low maned (I know it, its what I did last summer during the login campaign, it doesn't take long to get and I was basically naked before I started).

Also, your statement wasn't even true in 2006, the game was slower paced but with the proper optimisation there were little to no downtime. Obviously if you were playing MNK or more generally a melee in a fail party without any support there was a lot of downtime, but that came from non ideal party setups. Avesta's solo video are still online on youtube, please watch them and tell me you can do that with 10 APM...

[Gothicshark]

ESO (Elder Scrolls Online) - Tried too hard, added in too much WOW not enough Elder Scrolls.

I hate to quote myself, however I need to change my statement here.

I was in ESO Beta, and was there on launch. It was the worst of both worlds, at the time. It had the things I hate in MMOs from WOW and a lack of direction that Skyrim had. After my initial post, I renewed my subscription, and have played it every day this week.

Oh boy, it's good now. Really good. They fixed a lot of the issues I had, and they changed the start of the game to help give focus on a story. It's comparable now to FFXIV and WOW, it sort of sits in between the two and is worth being in the top 4 MMOs. You'all can fight for order and the 4th.

[NessaWyvern]

FF14 would rank higher on the list if the PvP on the game was better. They need to release more game modes which are more fun. Maybe do smaller maps with less people, with each mode being unique (Wow PvP trumps FF14s every day of the week) Also, add PvP gear that actually does something.

[Maeka]

FF14 would rank higher on the list if the PvP on the game was better. They need to release more game modes which are more fun. Maybe do smaller maps with less people, with each mode being unique (Wow PvP trumps FF14s every day of the week) Also, add PvP gear that actually does something.

The lack of PvP is a huge part of what makes FFXIV great.

PvP breeds all kinds of terrible behavior, just look at WoW's general community. WoW is a game built around PvP, and tries to get its playerbase to split into two factions, and tries its hardest to get them to hate each other, and of course, it works really well. WoW is very toxic and there is actual player hate towards players of opposite faction. I mean, there was that Blizzcon where a person wearing Alliance colors was physically assaulted by a person (or was it multiple people, I forget) wearing Horde colors.

When you have people physically assaulting each other IRL because of something stupid like an imaginary faction in-game, you've crossed the line.

I'd rather not have more PvP here in FFXIV. The fact it's way off to the side and few people care about it is a good thing.

[Kuukyo]

The lack of PvP is a huge part of what makes FFXIV great.

PvP breeds all kinds of terrible behavior, just look at WoW's general community. WoW is a game built around PvP, and tries to get its playerbase to split into two factions, and tries its hardest to get them to hate each other, and of course, it works really well. WoW is very toxic and there is actual player hate towards players of opposite faction. I mean, there was that Blizzcon where a person wearing Alliance colors was physically assaulted by a person (or was it multiple people, I forget) wearing Horde colors.

When you have people physically assaulting each other IRL because of something stupid like an imaginary faction in-game, you've crossed the line.

I'd rather not have more PvP here in FFXIV. The fact it's way off to the side and few people care about it is a good thing.

PvP is almost like a competitive thing, and nothing is good in that when it comes to relationship. I have played a lot of competitive games and to be honest, I'm very tired when people trash talk and hate on each other. But everyone has their own preference in their MMORPG style. Some like the cartoon-ish and the intense environment of PvP in WoW, while some others prefer to spend their time in PvE, stories, contents and hanging around with a chill community in a well polished game like Final Fantasy XIV, which is a reason why I quit GW2. There are definitely features that I still like in that game but the visual of the game is one of the reason I quit it (I do agree that it looks good but I just have a different taste).

[Maeka]

PvP is almost like a competitive thing, and nothing is good in that when it comes to relationship. I have played a lot of competitive games and to be honest, I'm very tired when people trash talk and hate on each other. But everyone has their own preference in their MMORPG style. Some like the cartoon-ish and the intense environment of PvP in WoW, while some others prefer to spend their time in PvE, stories, contents and hanging around with a chill community in a well polished game like Final Fantasy XIV, which is a reason why I quit GW2. There are definitely features that I still like in that game but the visual of the game is one of the reason I quit it (I do agree that it looks good but I just have a different taste).

*nods*

I get that they (the person I quoted) likes PvP and that's fine... but if they like/want PvP, they should try WoW. I bet they'd love it over there if that's what they are seeking.

Thankfully FFXIV is a game that works very well when playing two MMOs, you can put in 5-10 hours a week and still get plenty done in it which leaves you more than enough time to get another MMO to fill in the gap of what FFXIV doesn't give enough of, if that's what one wants.

I don't really see the need to try to turn FFXIV into WoW, no more than I'd go over to WoW asking for more story cutscenes and forced MSQs. WoW is not FFXIV any more than FFXIV is WoW. It's good that they both have their unique design directions.

[Kuukyo]

*nods*

I get that they (the person I quoted) likes PvP and that's fine... but if they like/want PvP, they should try WoW. I bet they'd love it over there if that's what they are seeking.

Thankfully FFXIV is a game that works very well when playing two MMOs, you can put in 5-10 hours a week and still get plenty done in it which leaves you more than enough time to get another MMO to fill in the gap of what FFXIV doesn't give enough of, if that's what one wants.

I don't really see the need to try to turn FFXIV into WoW, no more than I'd go over to WoW asking for more story cutscenes and forced MSQs. WoW is not FFXIV any more than FFXIV is WoW. It's good that they both have their unique design directions.

I came to MMORPGs after spending my 5 years playing competitive games like DotA, League of Legends, Counter Strike: Global Offensive and I definitely love these games, but not the community because people hate each other so much they have to trash talk each other and sometimes people even do things that is very offensive to others without regards. First few days I learned to play Counter Strike and I was not good because I was learning the game, and the team just straight up kick me and told me before kicking to stop playing like shit and go kys in voice chats.

What great communities they are when competitive element exists.

[Shurrikhan]

The lack of PvP is a huge part of what makes FFXIV great.

PvP breeds all kinds of terrible behavior, just look at WoW's general community. WoW is a game built around PvP, and tries to get its playerbase to split into two factions, and tries its hardest to get them to hate each other, and of course, it works really well. WoW is very toxic and there is actual player hate towards players of opposite faction. I mean, there was that Blizzcon where a person wearing Alliance colors was physically assaulted by a person (or was it multiple people, I forget) wearing Horde colors.

When you have people physically assaulting each other IRL because of something stupid like an imaginary faction in-game, you've crossed the line.

I'd rather not have more PvP here in FFXIV. The fact it's way off to the side and few people care about it is a good thing.

From even just the second line, this feels waaaaay off base. I have to wonder if you even play the game, or merely watch the most absurd clips of Blizzcon audiences. (Oh, and now with the third line I'm certain of it.)

WoW isn't built around PvP. It's built with it in mind and accounted for, rather than as a shallow afterthought as in XIV (though has become less clear or trusted with time), but the game, whether you ask a raider or a PvPer, is PvE-centric. Most players are not single-faction, and haven't been since the character creation restrictions were lifted; they have at least a couple characters on each side.

PvP has faded in popularity and usage over time. All but the initial game and the latest (8th) installment have largely been about pushing faction differences aside to face a common enemy. Mists of Panderia toyed with the idea of open warfare briefly, only to turn it almost into a satirical twist, whereby that violence begets literally spirits of violence worse than either faction and in the end, both factions unite against the horde leader, Garrosh. Battle for Azeroth has had to honestly kind of had to force, tooth-and-nail-down-throats, the idea of open warfare back into the game. The plots have been contorted, logic stretched thin or openly snapped, and the absurd lampshaded at best just to force that trend back into the game despite all content and context to the contrary and faith in the company and ratings for the game have plummeted as a result. That Blizzcon incident was development's wet dream. And it only took them three segments of verbal harassment and blatant alternative pandering to trigger it. Berate enough people at a bar, whatever their personality, and eventually yes, they may eventually act like rabid soccer fans on the night of a FIFA world cup final.

Should I say that basketball is inherently toxic because of what Lakers fans do after each loss (or win, for that matter)? Is keeping pets toxic because you can aggravate a dog to bite? This is not an issue of PvP. What you're thinking of is an issue of force-marketing a concept to which most sales candidates were already relatively disillusioned.

[Sukamachi]

Raids sure don't stack up well compared to other mmos. least from them you get loot each time and not get nothing for time there.