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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    He forbade it yes, until someone reminded him that he is a puppet and must do what he is told, so that invasion is coming.
    Varis did try to change the course of the empire by sponsoring the populares, but someone saw to end that before it could happen

    Also before ppl forgets. The garleans DO believe that they are saving the world, the difference between populares and optimates is how they want to rule. Both sides still want to conquer and educate the ppl of the world, they but differ in how, but at the end of the day for both of them non garleans or honorary garleans are savages and don't mistake that
    I don't think Varis is going to just quietly go along with what Solus wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    I don't think Varis is going to just quietly go along with what Solus wants.
    And I'm sure the tag tem of Solus and Elidibus will just simply shrug and say 'okay'.

    Oh wait. No. They will probably destroy everything he hold dear before he goes along with the plan. If still no they will just murder him and give his corpse to another Ascian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balipu View Post
    If still no they will just murder him and give his corpse to another Ascian.
    That is what scares me. Subterfuge being their thing and all, what is stopping them was simply killing him. Even better, they could gather him and anyone else they might view as a problem in one area. Launch the Black Rose and then blame it on us. After seeing what "we'll" do, it'll unite the Garleans against us even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    I don't think Varis is going to just quietly go along with what Solus wants.
    Idd he won't because the plot demands our presence, but realistically he can't do a thing. Solus has already plan B at ready if Varis won't comply.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoblePigeon View Post
    Actually, the Populares want to improve the lives of those in the provinces, Garlean or otherwise. Asahi was a scumbag, but he likely wouldn't lie w hen he explained this to the WoL. And if Maxima is any indication, they'll probably shift their position on Imperial expansion quickly once the truths about the Burn is revealed and be made aware of how awful and brutal the Empire was being in places like Dalmasca, Doma and Ala Mhigo.
    They do yes, but still as provinces under Garlemand even Totally-not-Gaius doesn't want for the empire to lose more provinces. The Garleans in the prima vista too believe of the rigtheousness of the crusade of the empire as savior of the lesser races despite being advocates for non violence.
    Essentially what they want is a political conquest, not with war, but with politics and agreement, it doesn't make them less imperialist or expansionist it's only different
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    Idd he won't because the plot demands our presence, but realistically he can't do a thing. Solus has already plan B at ready if Varis won't comply.



    They do yes, but still as provinces under Garlemand even Totally-not-Gaius doesn't want for the empire to lose more provinces. The Garleans in the prima vista too believe of the rigtheousness of the crusade of the empire as savior of the lesser races despite being advocates for non violence.
    Essentially what they want is a political conquest, not with war, but with politics and agreement, it doesn't make them less imperialist or expansionist it's only different
    I'll have to take that with a grain of salt for now, since we know so few about the Populares outside of what Asahi has explained. We do know that Titus, Solus's second son, was a leader in the War of Succession, whom specifically advocated for halting military conquests and the mandate to eliminate primals. I would not be at all surprised if the Populares was aligned with them.

    Sure, I reckon they probably wouldn't be huge fans if Garlemald was reduced to a rump state. But as it stands now. they are the first group of Garleans we've seen that we can not only cooperate with, but use to actually put their nation on the right track. I guess we'll see in 4.5 onward if the Populares actually have imperialistic ambitions or not, though I'm still betting on the latter.
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