Why do tanks need Determination stat still when they have Tenacity?

[Snarky_Sunseeker]

Passively the Paladin is the most durable tank, but active mitigation is what matters, and it falls behind just a tad there, but makes up for this through Intervention and Cover. The Paladin effectively grants other Tanks additional mitigation cooldowns.

Thanks for the reply. To be honest, this seems more of a "six of one, half a dozen of the other" kind of thing to me.

Each jobs respective kit, upon closer examination, seems to have its own benefits and drawbacks. I'll agree that the gap is not really significant, but disagree that PLD is at any meaningful disadvantage with mitigation.

I also speak from the perspective of being the MT 95% of the time and not being an Intervention/Cover dispenser for WARs or DRKs. ^^ In content that requires tank swaps, sure. I'll throw an Intervention on you before a TB and maybe even a Reprisal on the boss, time permitting, but I consider it more of a professional courtesy than an absolute rule.

[Megguido]

Thanks for the reply. To be honest, this seems more of a "six of one, half a dozen of the other" kind of thing to me.

Each jobs respective kit, upon closer examination, seems to have its own benefits and drawbacks. I'll agree that the gap is not really significant, but disagree that PLD is at any meaningful disadvantage with mitigation.

I also speak from the perspective of being the MT 95% of the time and not being an Intervention/Cover dispenser for WARs or DRKs. ^^ In content that requires tank swaps, sure. I'll throw an Intervention on you before a TB and maybe even a Reprisal on the boss, time permitting, but I consider it more of a professional courtesy than an absolute rule.

All tanks can MT and OT, it's more about the efficient use of cooldowns from both tanks. Though it doesn't matter in dungeons or normal raids / trials, in extreme / savage modes PLD really shines as OT. Once PLD used Rampart and Sentinel, they're kinda naked since Sentinel has such a long cooldown (whereas WAR and DRK have more defensive abilities / shorter cooldowns). Used correctly, Intervention and Cover are very powerful abilities when you're OT.

Also, PLD loses tons of damage by pulling the boss and staying in Shield Oath (about 25% of their damage, which is around 1000 DPS) and they struggle to switch stances during a fight, unlike WAR and DRK. That's why you prefer having the other tank pull (then you can provoke and tank in Sword Oath for example).

[Snarky_Sunseeker]

So in the interest of honesty, re: damage mitigation, I thought I'd share that the final phase of O12 was a bit of an eye opener for me. I discovered in the process of learning the fight that if I wasn't careful, I would indeed run out of defensive CDs. Prior to O12, I never experienced hard hitting boss attacks and TBs in such rapid succession that I ended up burning through CDs and my Oath Gauge so quickly, but I think I now understand what context some of you were speaking from. So yes, I'd say given that the other two jobs have more CDs at their disposal with shorter duty cycles, it does place them at an advantage in that fight.

To tell you the truth, though, I think it was about time that WAR and DRK were given a chance to be the heroes for once. ^^ It also means this is an opportunity to improve my own skills and make up for those shortcomings.

Sometimes the best challenge is rocking a "sub-optimal" job and defying everyone's expectations.