4.4 WAR BiS

[Lengue]

anyone have an idea is there an "official" bis for war? cuz all the equip look... ugh, overall looks like we lost a lot of Critical and gain... lot of skill speed? lol...

[ArianeEwah]

There is nothing "official" yet afaik.

This is what I came up with
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17DM7 - 2.34 GCD

If you can't afford peltamelded accessories
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17DMD - 2.37 GCD
- I swapped out a SkS VI for Ten VI in head, but I guess you could also use a DH VI, the overall DPS gain is roughly the same
- this 1 SkS VI is useless anyway 'cause you don't hit next GCD tier

I for myself will do Anemos/Pagos/Pyros (whatever) WAR weapon, once it's out, the raid weapon is just screwing WAR all over.

[whiskeybravo]

I'm going for this build personally (H/T Balance Discord)

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17BCT

[Aana]

I'm going for this build personally (H/T Balance Discord)

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17BCT

Why the Ten 12 on the last slot in the 2nd ring? Is it for a specific breakpoint?

[whiskeybravo]

Why the Ten 12 on the last slot in the 2nd ring? Is it for a specific breakpoint?

Yea, get's into the next tier apparently.

[Aana]

Yea, get's into the next tier apparently.

Fair enough. Im not going to penta meld my gear to that minute degree based on a set of gear i wont have for months personally. All I needed was a re-confirmation that Det is still more valuable than DH/SS for war and build my gear as I progress with the SS for 5hit>Crit>Det priority. I'll reconsider mega perfect BIS when I actually have the gear to do it.

Now to get the rest of the crafting materials for my 1st round of gear so my buddy can make it over the weekend

[whiskeybravo]

I did consider the same thing. I'll probably just put det in there for now, worst case it's not difficult to remove it and re-meld later.

There was some talk about tenacity possibly being better than DH specifically because of IR windows. Which sounds really strange, but I guess sort of makes sense given DH doesn't do anything for IR. There are a few other sets if you want to check them out, but that was the highest party dps build @ 6024 (and only 3 crafted pieces):

6013 (2.37 "speed" build) - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/176LI

5973 (no crafted) - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/175A3

5980 (tome weapon) - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17C9I

[Aana]

I did consider the same thing. I'll probably just put det in there for now, worst case it's not difficult to remove it and re-meld later.

There was some talk about tenacity possibly being better than DH specifically because of IR windows. Which sounds really strange, but I guess sort of makes sense given DH doesn't do anything for IR. There are a few other sets if you want to check them out, but that was the highest party dps build @ 6024 (and only 3 crafted pieces):

6013 - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/176LI

5973 - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/175A3

5980 - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17C9I

IIRC last ilvl tier, DH for war specifically was about on par with SS for increasing damage (after you can 5 hit anyway). So it was SS 5hit>Crit>Det>SS=DH=Ten. It seems not much has changed this go around, but glad the balance discord seems to be on board with my gut.

Crit will only be better as it scales better the more you have. It was the best. Now its even better.
Det is linear scaling. We have more of it so Id wager the gap between crit>Det is slightly wider with det linear and crit curving up.
DH is also linear, but we have the same % gains as previous tier because we always have baseline and materia slots are unchanged for how much we could equip.
Ten is just det -1. Exact same type of damage scaling. Just less.
SS is pretty lame. Its pretty trash at low levels, but does exponentially gain. There might be some consideration this late in a cycle to at least test out a maxed out SS build, but the way IR works, its pretty unlikely to work well.

So for me the only question was: Would DH (same % gain as last tier) and SS (with exponential gains and high ilvl now) have a prayer at catching up to the falling off benefits of more and more det as it is just a linear scaling stat the % damage gains from more det will not be the same as the % gains at lower ilvls of det. (the real damage gains are the same point for point, but the % of your total damage will fall off a bit.)

Seems discord finds that det did not hit a tipping point with SS or DH so that clears up 1 of my two stat questions this tier. The other being, have we finally got enough stats for SS to hit it's stride in exponential returns to drop that GCD. But that is more likely for Pld/Drk. IR just puts so much POW into a crit build I find it highly unlikely SS could ever touch war again. Only way that happens is getting a 6th FC in at this point. But man that would be next level haha.
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Edit:
Did some math. Were still about 1k SS short of doing a 6hit FC :'( Need around 4k +- latency soo....RIP SS dream.

[ArianeEwah]

Thx for those sets, whiskeybravo, they seem far better than those in my post.

Interessting... that the augmented tome weapon is almost on par with Omega weapon, kind of sad actually. SE really screwed up this time.

Crit will only be better as it scales better the more you have. It was the best. Now its even better.[...]

Crit actually didn't get any better this tier 'cause tank gear has way less crit than last tier. (We barely got a few crit points more, WAR with raid weapon got even less than before.)

That's one reason why I am a little disappointed in this patch, and that accessories are also screwed (crafted pentamelded are almost equal in DPS as raid ones, substats badly chosen for both). On the other hand, raid content seems interessting this patch.

Excluding tank head, chest, PLD and DRK weapon, the substats on tank gear are very bad, most have SkS and/or Ten.

Did some math. Were still about 1k SS short of doing a 6hit FC :'( Need around 4k +- latency soo....RIP SS dream.

I don't think it will ever be possible to achieve a GCD less than 2.0 without a recast buff (like arrow).

[Aana]

Thx for those sets, whiskeybravo, they seem far better than those in my post.

Interessting... that the augmented tome weapon is almost on par with Omega weapon, kind of sad actually. SE really screwed up this time.



Crit actually didn't get any better this tier 'cause tank gear has way less crit than last tier. (We barely got a few crit points more, WAR with raid weapon got even less than before.)

That's one reason why I am a little disappointed in this patch, and that accessories are also screwed (crafted pentamelded are almost equal in DPS as raid ones, substats badly chosen for both). On the other hand, raid content seems interessting this patch.

Excluding tank head, chest, PLD and DRK weapon, the substats on tank gear are very bad, most have SkS and/or Ten.



I don't think it will ever be possible to achieve a GCD less than 2.0 without a recast buff (like arrow).

Unfortunately correct. We cant hope to get enough SS before an expansion resets the stats all over again. It is a shame our gear is the way it is. If you are going to release a patch with excessive SS forced on tanks, it is far better to do so in the 1st ilvl of the expansion. War for example needs ~1k SS give or take 100 based on latency to 5hit. When you can only have 1500 max in 1 stat, having a heavy SS set isnt that bad. You need a 'lot' of your gear allocation to SS anyway. But sheesh this late you can get enough SS in 2 pieces of gear. This does just suck. Customized stat relic upgrade cant come fast enough.
Yall better get your pagos on ebcause you WILL want that Crit+Det+5slot axe when it arrives.