Pushed to quit after 1,860 days subbed

[OurMom]

if the player isn't in the game, then they should at least send an email

They do, op claimed they never got the email but the GMs said it was sent successfully.

[Gemina]

Thank you Xoria for providing this.

It's unfortunate that this is mainly used as a disclaimer these days. This should be the very first thing that pops up when a player is about to purchase their plot. It should slap it in their face and then ask, "Would you like to proceed with purchase of Plot xx, Ward xx?"

2. Save auto-demolished housing items for a longer period of time - 35 days after is way to short of a time to pick up items, that plus the auto demo time is 2 and a half months, not even a patches worth of time. People stop playing due to a various amount of reasons, but many people do come back to the game at expansions generally if they are going to come back. I suggest that they save housing items for 2 years + before permanently deleting them.

They should be held indefinitely. Placed in a zip file and sent to the player's in-game mailbox will eliminate any "overload" BS they would serve us. It isn't just at all that a loyal subscriber can put years into this game, and then lose all of their stuff in less than two months should something unfortunate happen that jeopardizes their playtime. You would think this would be common sense, but I can't stress enough about the constant oversight of the dev team.

[R-Pete-G]

It takes all of two seconds to port to your house and walk inside. Why no one would do that to begin with in a 45 day span is beyond me - this isn't even "wanting to but can't", it's "I literally couldn't be arsed to take two seconds to walk into the home that means so much to me it'll make me quit if I lose it".

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But in the end, it was still entirely on you for not having even the faintest idea of the demo timer. I also find it extremely hard to believe that even in-game, talking to friends, no mention of a demo timer ever came up whatsoever. That's one of the biggest complaints from this game's community. It is almost impossible to go about your life in the game being blissfully unaware of the fact it exists at all, let alone how long it is.

Also, again - if you can't be bothered to even go into your super-important-omg-I'll-quit-if-I-lose-it house within 45 days, of which you have plenty of time to be doing events and the like, then you do not need that house in the first place.

You're obviously entitled to disagree with me about things that are subjective. But my actions and motivations are not subjective, they are facts, and because I find assumptions / generalisations about my motivations worth correcting, I will do so.

It categorically was a case of "wanting to but can't". You can make false assumptions all you like, but that doesn't change the reality of it. I had incredibly limited time to play FFXIV, for reasons that shouldn't be necessary to drag out just to make my story more "believable", and was only able to scrape together a couple of hours a month to try and keep on top of things for when I returned. Having no knowledge that my home was at risk by not doing so, walking into that home wasn't something I knew I had to keep on top of. Not even close to "I literally couldn't be arsed" - if I knew that it was necessary, "being arsed" would have jumped to the top of the priority list, and I'd have sacrificed something else from the little time I had to play.

There are a great many things that people find it "extremely hard to believe", when they have the benefit of knowing them themselves. Despite what you anecdotally think is "almost impossible", it happened. Being incredulously surprised about this doesn't make it any less true. In the last couple of years I've played in quite a small FC, and I don't spend a lot of time chatting in cities or watching chat. At the end of the day, it shouldn't matter how likely you think it is or isn't, but it's entirely possible to not hear about every hot topic in the community depending on the conversations you're exposed to, and that's exactly what happened.

Making false assumptions makes it really easy to throw together a dismissive sentence about how ridiculous it is. But the reality is somewhat different. On that last line, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that perhaps you just hadn't understood what I've said. The thread is quite long now, after all... So, to correct those points: I would have been bothered, I just didn't know. Losing the house didn't push me to quit, the policy on arbitrary deletion of furnishings after a demolition did. I had no where near "plenty" of time to anything, and had to prioritise the few things I knew were time limited. And no one needs a house, it's an optional part of the game that some people want more than others, but I wanted it just as much as many other players do. Despite that, the demolition of the house is - regardless of what people seem to be focusing on - not my main complaint.

[The_NPC]

Yah Losing all that (paid or otherwise) is demoralizing, to an extreame but I knew about House demolishing the second they mentioned it, heck before they did threw rumors... I don't wanna sound mean but "Do u even read patch notes?". I think it was even in the title of one of their "News" posts that u would see in FF14's launcher & back then I didn't even use these forums except for ocational guides for stuff, got into surfing General forums somewere in 3.0

The date u started playing & whatever u have done (which is way more than me even if I have been here since about 2-3 months less then the OP, November of the year v2.0 released on PS3, OP went to the RL events were I didn't) I care about this game less & still cared enouf to know what their adding every patch by reading them threw every time

Sub-note: Also just remembered they also paused the auto-demolish a few times for mass RL disaster's & that was also displayed in the Launcher apps NEWS bar (same place Patch notes go) so its pritty hard to miss... especially when ppl love to complain in Shout in endgame zones & cities about crap

[Ichirai]

Well said Floortank : you have renewed my faith in humans... you could have easily replied to the OP negatively especially since you don’t know them. You showed empathy but focused on the good in hopes of encouraging them.

[Sigma-Astra]

Why should they ask someone who owns a house if they dont even have the idea that there is another system behind it? Why are you so against simply adding more ways to see that such a timer exists ingame ? I can understand if you say that maybe the OP should have looked at their house more often since they did not notice that it was gone until even the items were destroyed but I am honestly confused why you argue for making it easier? What would it change for you if they give you an overview of housing rules when you buy the house? Or give a message with the mogry post or when you log into the game when the timer is going down to a certain day?

You keep making excuses as to why they shouldn't have to look at other information or why they shouldn't have to ask, and I'm sorry, but I don't agree with those excuses. I'm not against other means of notification, what I'm against is absolving the OP of all responsibility because people think it's unfair and quite frankly, it was not. The system worked as it did and as a person who claims to be so invested into the game and housing for the five years of playing, to say that you couldn't be motivated enough to read other sources or learn isn't the fault of the devs entirely, it's also pure laziness and gross negligence on their own part.

If you lost your house because you neglected to pay attention towards the timers and rules, then part of that responsibility and fault lies with yourself, especially if you've been playing for five years and were present when they made the changes and Shirogane ward. The moment I decided I wanted to get into housing, I asked my friends who HAD houses what I needed to know or I used Google.

It's not hard to take the initiative and learn, not sure why so many people have an aversion towards bettering themselves. If I lost my house and items, it's because of something I did, not because the system is working against me or something.

[Exxy]

You keep making excuses as to why they shouldn't have to look at other information or why they shouldn't have to ask, and I'm sorry, but I don't agree with those excuses. I'm not against other means of notification, what I'm against is absolving the OP of all responsibility because people think it's unfair and quite frankly, it was not. The system worked as it did and as a person who claims to be so invested into the game and housing for the five years of playing, to say that you couldn't be motivated enough to read other sources or learn isn't the fault of the devs entirely, it's also pure laziness and gross negligence on their own part.

If you lost your house because you neglected to pay attention towards the timers and rules, then part of that responsibility and fault lies with yourself, especially if you've been playing for five years and were present when they made the changes and Shirogane ward. The moment I decided I wanted to get into housing, I asked my friends who HAD houses what I needed to know or I used Google.

It's not hard to take the initiative and learn, not sure why so many people have an aversion towards bettering themselves. If I lost my house and items, it's because of something I did, not because the system is working against me or something.

I couldn't have said it better myself

[Stormfur]

That really sucks, OP...I think that the housing items,whether you still have them in your inventory or not should be made available from the calamity salvager. That way you could reclaim previous items on your account just like you can other rewards.

[Penthea]

I'm not against other means of notification

Unless you have had a change of heart, your previous posts show the exact opposite.

It's not hard to take the initiative and learn, not sure why so many people have an aversion towards bettering themselves.

How can people take the initiative to learn about something they don't even know exists? Literally nothing in the game aside from housing and the furnishings within can be taken away from you. It's only natural for people to assume that once they buy a house that they have it forever regardless of how they play, given that's how literally everything else in the game works.

As for OP he is far from the first person I have encountered who has been playing the game for a long time and didn't know about the demolition timer. I can't even begin to count how many people I have encountered who had no clue the timer existed. Some of these people had been playing even longer than I have. OP isn't a special case at all. He is just unfortunate that he found out after his house got removed.

If you lost your house because you neglected to pay attention towards the timers and rules, then part of that responsibility and fault lies with yourself, especially if you've been playing for five years and were present when they made the changes and Shirogane ward.

And do you remember every single line of text you read in patch notes? Do you also read the parts that don't concern you? I don't even bother reading the pvp section as I presently have no intention of doing any. And when I decide to in the future, do you expect me to read all past patch notes to make sure I'm up to speed on everything about pvp? I hope not. Like most players I would simply jump in and do pvp, and learn as I go. Which is how most players approach content.

The problem is with housing this doesn't work because SE are not clear enough at the correct moments about the existence of demolition. It's even hard to find out about it by accident because the demolition timer is hidden up until 15 days are left. A player completely unaware about demolition could go the the estate tab of the timers window, see no demolition timer, and therefore not even find out that it exists. It's almost as if the whole thing about demolition is deliberately designed to be unclear. It's awful.

[Sigma-Astra]

Unless you have had a change of heart, your previous posts show the exact opposite.

No, I never directly even stated that I was solely against other notifications directly, you all dogpiled on me and made assumption after assumption that that's what I'm talking about. I am against everyone making excuse after excuse for the OP and absolving him of the partial blame that goes directly into not managing his house better or making the rules and demolition timer more known to himself after five years. There never was a change of heart because you only saw or read what you wanted to see and made assumptions that because I feel the OP should be held accountable for his actions that apparently I'm against more notifications. That was never my main argument ever.

How can people take the initiative to learn about something they don't even know exists? Literally nothing in the game aside from housing and the furnishings within can be taken away from you. It's only natural for people to assume that once they buy a house that they have it forever regardless of how they play, given that's how literally everything else in the game works.

As for OP he is far from the first person I have encountered who has been playing the game for a long time and didn't know about the demolition timer. I can't even begin to count how many people who I have encountered who had no clue the timer existed. Some of these people had been playing even longer than I have. OP isn't a special case at all. He is just unfortunate that he found out after his house got removed.

And this is where I keep getting frustrated because some of you are making excuse after excuse for the OP that the blame should be placed solely on SE when it's also the person's own negligence and fault that it happened as well. It takes less than five minutes to Google "XIV Housing" and come up with these.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ This mentions Auto-Demolition at least, not in full detail, but hey, they're telling you it exists.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Housing This one actually talks about the process near the end.

If you ignore the tools that you have available to you inside the game via talking to someone that knows about housing or outside sources to learn, it is YOUR job as a player to inform yourself of any features that you have questions about. If you cannot, then it's your own fault for making bad judgment calls and assumptions. That's player negligence and sheer laziness. Everything you've mentioned in the above quote is just poor excuses, I'm sorry. I could understand if he only were playing for a month or two, but five years or more? No, no excuse. Start taking responsibility for not knowing about things you had plenty of time to learn. If you have time to run seasonal events and the Cactpot, you have time to spend those extra five minutes on Google to learn about the housing snippets.

And do you remember every single line of text you read in patch notes? Do you also read the parts that don't concern you? I don't even bother reading the pvp section as I presently have no intention of doing any. And when I decide to in the future, do you expect me to read all past patch notes to make sure I'm up to speed on everything about pvp? I hope not. Like most players I would simply jump in and do pvp, and learn as I go. Which is how most players approach content.

The problem is with housing this doesn't work because SE are not clear enough at the correct moments about the existence of demolition. It's even hard to find out about it by accident because the demolition timer is hidden up until 15 days are left. A player completely unaware about demolition could go the the estate tab of the timers window, see no demolition timer, and therefore not even find out that it exists. It's almost as if the whole thing about demolition is deliberately designed to be unclear. It's awful.

No, which is why I always go back and re-read things I don't understand, but yes, I also do read the patch notes in their entirety, that's what they're for.....to learn. What's so difficult about refreshing your memory exactly? Again, terrible excuses that you're using to absolve the OP of his share of the blame towards why he lost his house and items.

What happened sucked, but it doesn't absolve the OP of his share of the blame.

Like I said, if I lost my house and items, it's because of something I personally did as a user, not because the system was designed to make me fail.

I'm sorry, I don't agree with the OP being completely innocent and that's what your entire post makes him out to be. I'm not going to change my opinion on that.

Willful ignorance is not a good excuse.