Seriously, If You're Only Going To Create Designs For Women, Just Genderlock

[Iscah]

So I tried on the much-discussed jumper with my Elezen....



(I don't know if it counts as fashionable but it sure looks comfy.)

I thought the plain version was too plain, so I got the one with the scarf. It's not super masculine (though neither is he) but I don't think it looks feminine. Your opinion may vary. I won't be offended.

I would love to have that scarf-and-pin over a more fantasy-style tunic.

And a side note to anyone wondering about getting the item for their character after this discussion - the two styles dye differently. For this version the main colour ("rust red" in this case) goes on the scarf and the jumper is pale. Use the same dye on the plain version, and you get a red jumper.



Also, the Spring set. It doesn't look feminine to me, but it seems very disjointed. The pants are an odd fit and not very flattering. The shirt is old-fashioned but the shoes are modern.



The shirt works a lot better in combination with other gear though.



It's not a modern men's shirt, but works for more of an old-fashioned look.

(I just realised I used it with the Falconer's Pants here, and it's actually not too far off the style of the Falconer's Shirt, or giving the same impression at any rate.)

Though my issue with these sort of shirts in the game (not so much this one, but particularly the Thavnairian and Hannish wool shirts) is that they look like something you'd wear under a vest, and look a bit plain on their own - but of course you can't combine it with other items like you would in reality.

[alimdia]

People from an old thread that were asking for feminine glams for guys would argue with you lol


Gender-locking some things will upset those people who actually like those.

But this is not Extreme Fantasy XIV, they don't have to stick to the extremes of "androgynous only" or "manly only", they can add some variation every now and then. Also one of the big issues in those threads you mention is that SE had this habit of making female-only glamours with no male counterparts.

[MOZZYSTAR]

I would rather them not genderlock, but I would like them to start focusing on men's fashion (for clothes and hair). Some of these items posted could look good on the male model (like the sweater) when paired with different bottoms, but the items as a set definitely look female geared. If the first one is anything to go by, the male model of the clothes don't change much from their female counterpart's. (Edit: Looks like I was mistaken, Isca's post show that the bottoms change a bit not that they look good XD, but the top do look good.)


Buuut SE loves their cute, adorable little girl models. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ladygrilka]

Nope we need more gender unlocked item...

If male can wear the bunny oufit (and it's awesome) we, Girls, need the male version of the Hempen undershirt !!! i want a tank top ^^

[Magic-Mal]

Nope we need more gender unlocked item...

If male can wear the bunny oufit (and it's awesome) we, Girls, need the male version of the Hempen undershirt !!! i want a tank top ^^

The tank top should be for all genders and races. Locking it to Hyur still is just silly.

[MoroMurasaki]

The tank top should be for all genders and races. Locking it to Hyur still is just silly.

I'm going to run on the assumption that this wasn't sarcasm. If it was my apologies, ignore me.

How can you say this tank top with a lacing detail is okay to be unisex but a sweater is somehow too androgynous?

This feels like some real picking and choosing.

It might be that your ideas of masculine and feminine clothing styles are different than those of other people. That's cool, it keeps the world interesting, but perhaps don't try to argue that your ideas should be enforced on the whole game then.

None of the outfits here are distinctly gendered. Look at WHM AF3 for crying out loud!

People just need to enjoy the glam options we have. There is a ton of variety to be had. Do I want the female Elezen hempen top? More than an Ultimate clear. I still find ways to glam within my means, though.

So I tried on the much-discussed jumper with my Elezen....



(I don't know if it counts as fashionable but it sure looks comfy.)

I thought the plain version was too plain, so I got the one with the scarf. It's not super masculine (though neither is he) but I don't think it looks feminine. Your opinion may vary. I won't be offended.

This is just adorable. 10/10, please continue.

I think they should unlock all the underwear sets for everyone like they said they'd consider doing years ago. Racial underwear... seriously?

I don't want them to keep making female-only glamour with no male counterparts. That really ticks me off. If androgynous/feminine is the best they can do to compromise then I guess I can live with it... though it seems like a really half-hearted attempt on SE's part. There's no harm in making masculine gear for everyone to wear (and the people who play females but are tired of being stuck in cute clothes all the time would be happy too). I don't think anyone would unsub if a few patches had manly gear instead of what we've been getting for well over a year now.

My take on this is that much of the combat gear (outside of healers and sometimes casters) is rather masculine so the glamour options lean feminine to balance the scales.

I know bringing practicality into a fantasy game isn't always the best idea but like it makes sense we aren't getting a cute sweater or denim cutoffs for beating a raid boss in a way. That should reward more armorey armor and it does.

I'm not opposed to more masculine glam options but it seemed like when they make them and leave them open to female characters as well people get bent out of shape about it. SE isn't ever going to lock any large amount of glam behind playing a male character because the vast majority of people play women. I'm not saying it's inherently fair but it's a reasonable decision from a business perspective. A vegan cafe doesn't suddenly change half their menu to steaks.

[Hestzhyen]

The tank top should be for all genders and races. Locking it to Hyur still is just silly.

I think they should unlock all the underwear sets for everyone like they said they'd consider doing years ago. Racial underwear... seriously?

I don't want them to keep making female-only glamour with no male counterparts. That really ticks me off. If androgynous/feminine is the best they can do to compromise then I guess I can live with it... though it seems like a really half-hearted attempt on SE's part. There's no harm in making masculine gear for everyone to wear (and the people who play females but are tired of being stuck in cute clothes all the time would be happy too). I don't think anyone would unsub if a few patches had manly gear instead of what we've been getting for well over a year now.

[Magic-Mal]

I'm going to run on the assumption that this wasn't sarcasm. If it was my apologies, ignore me.

How can you say this tank top with a lacing detail is okay to be unisex but a sweater is somehow too androgynous?

This feels like some real picking and choosing.

It might be that your ideas of masculine and feminine clothing styles are different than those of other people. That's cool, it keeps the world interesting, but perhaps don't try to argue that your ideas should be enforced on the whole game then.

Yeah it wasn't sarcasm. On the sweater, I was comparing it to the sweaters I see in my own mall stores, and the Google search "Men's Sweaters", and I didn't see any Aran Jumpers 3/4 down the page scroll, yet I can buy them for in the same stores in the women's section, and Google search "Women's Sweaters" does come up with a few Aran Jumpers not even a 1/3 scroll down. But I had already given up on defending the sweater because of all the resistance I got. I still wouldn't think a guy is attractive in it but that's my opinion of course

None of the outfits here are distinctly gendered. Look at WHM AF3 for crying out loud!

People just need to enjoy the glam options we have. There is a ton of variety to be had. Do I want the female Elezen hempen top? More than an Ultimate clear. I still find ways to glam within my means, though

The Ao Dai is actually the women's Ao Dai, no doubt. It was discussed a few pages ago.

The Ala Mhigan gown is definitely women's fashion. Check out the knot and lace tied through the collar. My store sells those exact shirts actually!

For that winter set, those uggs... the bane of my high school years. The only boys I've ever seen wear those were the feminine gay ones. I say feminine gay because there's masculine gay and stuff. As for the jacket? I just think it's feminine..

[Fredco191]

Nope we need more gender unlocked item...

If male can wear the bunny oufit (and it's awesome) we, Girls, need the male version of the Hempen undershirt !!! i want a tank top ^^

I wouldn’t want to play a Midlander so much if I could wear that tank top as every other race.

[MoroMurasaki]

Yeah it wasn't sarcasm. On the sweater, I was comparing it to the sweaters I see in my own mall stores, and the Google search "Men's Sweaters", and I didn't see any Aran Jumpers 3/4 down the page scroll, yet I can buy them for in the same stores in the women's section, and Google search "Women's Sweaters" does come up with a few Aran Jumpers not even a 1/3 scroll down. But I had already given up on defending the sweater because of all the resistance I got. I still wouldn't think a guy is attractive in it but that's my opinion of course


The Ao Dai is actually the women's Ao Dai, no doubt. It was discussed a few pages ago.

The Ala Mhigan gown is definitely women's fashion. Check out the knot and lace tied through the collar. My store sells those exact shirts actually!

For that winter set, those uggs... the bane of my high school years. The only boys I've ever seen wear those were the feminine gay ones. I say feminine gay because there's masculine gay and stuff. As for the jacket? I just think it's feminine..

To me the hangup about the Ao Dai is weird. You're taking it's irl equivalent and applying it to a fictitious example. Ao Dai are not any more bound by irl examples than anything else in Eorzea. Look at the physics. That place is not earth.

I feel like this could devolve into the same core discussion that your race baiting thread did where the base argument is whether or not Eorzea needs an injection of irl realism. I am of the mind that it does not. I can separate the two. Just because men don't really wear that sort of sweater that much in today's fashion doesn't make it feminine.

Also, not to beat the dead horse, but that sweater is a cable knit sweater. I supervised buyers for a major retail company for several of the last five years. Men wear cable knit sweaters. Not generally in pastel colors I'll grant (though around Easter anything goes) but it does happen. It may not be a younger person fashion but it's certainly not because of a gendering issue.

Overall it just seems like you're up in arms about nothing. I don't see the problem with unlocking these things to both genders just as you have people of both genders irl who wear clothes intended for the opposite sex. There is very little comfier to me than putting on a large t-shirt that belongs to my boyfriend and sleeping in that. It is men's clothes.

If anything we should be asking for less gender locking not more.