Seriously, If You're Only Going To Create Designs For Women, Just Genderlock

[Magic-Mal]

To me the hangup about the Ao Dai is weird. You're taking it's irl equivalent and applying it to a fictitious example. Ao Dai are not any more bound by irl examples than anything else in Eorzea. Look at the physics. That place is not earth.

Are you saying that the actual women's Ao Dai that the devs put in is okay but asking for the men's version of the Ao Dai to be added is wrong because it's not Earth? Seriously? We're doing this again?

I feel like this could devolve into the same core discussion that your race baiting thread did where the base argument is whether or not Eorzea needs an injection of irl realism. I am of the mind that it does not. I can separate the two. Just because men don't really wear that sort of sweater that much in today's fashion doesn't make it feminine.

That wasn't even my thread.. don't put that on me lol. But based on that are you saying feminine things on men in RL aren't feminine on men in-game to you? Or just the sweater?

Also, not to beat the dead horse, but that sweater is a cable knit sweater. I supervised buyers for a major retail company for several of the last five years. Men wear cable knit sweaters. Not generally in pastel colors I'll grant (though around Easter anything goes) but it does happen. It may not be a younger person fashion but it's certainly not because of a gendering issue.

Okay I get it.. men can wear that sweater..

Overall it just seems like you're up in arms about nothing. I don't see the problem with unlocking these things to both genders just as you have people of both genders irl who wear clothes intended for the opposite sex. There is very little comfier to me than putting on a large t-shirt that belongs to my boyfriend and sleeping in that. It is men's clothes.

If anything we should be asking for less gender locking not more.

See my responses to others above you. I'm not actually asking to genderlock items. I'm making a point saying that they might as well genderlock because they won't make masculine things. Yes I bet we all wear men's clothes but that wasn't the point. The point was that male characters don't get masculine items. That's the core message.

In fact, I was never a supporter of locks in anything. Ever.

[TaiyoShikasu]

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As a deviant, I'm more partial to the male Au Ra hempen top.

Race exclusive designs for what is probably the least used glamour item is absolutely baffling though.

[Senn]

I'm all for more male and female fashion in this game, but I don't want any genderlock. Going forward, I'd like everything to be made unisex.

[Ariane]

But its ok they do Fedoras and suspenders outfits and make them unisex? Google Image only shows men in suspenders, so they are for men right? It's ok that they always take a male FF character, bring over over his outfit, and make it unisex, and then they rarely do a female charater's outfit. Its OK they usually use the male variant of the Tactics Orge armor? Its ok they gave out the male Isghard outfit as unisex but never gave the women's? And the Taoist set looks more traditionally for men because of the hat. All I get from this is that apparently it's OK to make "men's outfits" as unisex, but the other way is bad. People won't notice when its men's outfits made unisex, so I wouldn't even be surprised if overall there's far more "men's outfits" in the game. No one really cares enough to count how many times they actually did it that way.

[MoroMurasaki]

Are you saying that the actual women's Ao Dai that the devs put in is okay but asking for the men's version of the Ao Dai to be added is wrong because it's not Earth? Seriously? We're doing this again?

No, I'm saying acting like you are entitled to the men's version of an outfit irl because there is a female version in-game is nonsense.

That wasn't even my thread.. don't put that on me lol. But based on that are you saying feminine things on men in RL aren't feminine on men in-game to you? Or just the sweater?

I'm saying you act too much like Eorzea is the real world. The rules are clearly different there. Why get bogged down in the conventional masculinity or femininity of an outfit when we walk around in crazy spiky armor with swords and spears and magical floating globes? Realism has no place here. Quite literally the same argument countless people threw at you in that mess of a thread.

See my responses to others above you. I'm not actually asking to genderlock items. I'm making a point saying that they might as well genderlock because they won't make masculine things. Yes I bet we all wear men's clothes but that wasn't the point. The point was that male characters don't get masculine items. That's the core message.

In fact, I was never a supporter of locks in anything. Ever.

And I'm saying I think you're wrong and the examples you provided are invalid. You took some glam items you felt were feminine and portrayed them in feminine ways. As Iscah proved with their Elezen these things are definitely more gender neutral than you gave them credit for.

Why do you think SE should consider sinking time and money into creating glam for a comparatively tiny subset of the community? Walk into any major city, you will count so many more female characters to male characters it's ridiculous.

If they were literally exclusively putting out female glamor then we would have a problem. If your OP was actually true we would have a problem. The issue is not that there are no masculine clothing variants it's that you don't like the ones that are available.

I'm curious what you would even want? You want coats that fit differently? Those boots from your OP are practically in the game already. I don't remember their name but they show up around the high house boots on the market board. I remember looking at them and thinking 'ew, this are manly' and not buying them.

You're asking for glam we don't need to fix a problem we don't have. Any gender imbalance in the number of available outfits is easily explained by the imbalance of characters of each gender. Hell, the way that works out I would say male characters are overrepresented in the amount of glam they get.

[Theodric]

I'm all for more male and female fashion in this game, but I don't want any genderlock. Going forward, I'd like everything to be made unisex.

...and when everything is made unisex, the vast majority of items end up being very feminine/androgynous in design. At least when it comes to casual glamours, certain job sets and various hairstyles.

The developers have shown repeatedly that when they go the 'unisex' route they just use it as an excuse to embrace a feminine/androgynous aesthetic. There's a few exceptions, but until they can be trusted not to do that then more gear should be gender locked.

[Senn]

until they can be trusted not to do that then more gear should be gender locked.

No.
/10char

[Vidu]

The developers have shown repeatedly that when they go the 'unisex' route they just use it as an excuse to embrace a feminine/androgynous aesthetic. There's a few exceptions, but until they can be trusted not to do that then more gear should be gender locked.

What do you win by not having access to the gear at all?

Do you think they'll make a male and a female set everytime instead of a unisex one? Because they wont. They'll do what they did with the spring set or the bunny outfits: Stuff for female characters that males dont have access to at all.
Wouldnt you rather have access to femine/androgynous things than nothing at all?
And what do you win by not having access to "female" glamour anymore?
I was so mad when males couldnt wear the spring skirt on my male character... people requested that bunny outfit so many times (and yes, I know, some wanted a re-work of it as manly fashion and didnt get it, but I also know that some just wanted the girl-one)

I'm all for more male glamour options. But we need less genderlocks overall, not more.

And the funny thing is about this whole "real life" and "modern" fashion in regards to this: We have so, so much more female fashion options in real life, specially more options that actually differe significantly from each other. Whenever I try to get something for my brother, it feels like everything looks the same - so yeah, my guess would be that if we'd get modern guy-fashion in the game, we'd be done after two sets (exaggerating).

And still: There ARE male options in the game - and the androgynous stuff shouldnt be a surprise to anyone in a game that belongs to a series in which Cecil Harvey and Firion are maincharacters...
I dont know... I get wanting more male options, I do... but real world male fashion always seems more boring to me than girl fashion in the first place with less variation in it.
And you can still dress up "manly" - just not when you dye that unisex-sweater in pastellpink.

[Skivvy]

Do you think they'll make a male and a female set everytime instead of a unisex one? Because they wont. .

Honestly, why shouldn't they? It's not a crazy expectation that a game developer should put in some effort when designing items for their game. Older games manage this just fine - creating both male and female counterparts of an outfit that actually look decent for both genders (and races!). XIV's unisex approach to hairstyles and outfits quite often seem to be clearly designed for one gender in particular, and the other just has to make due with something that looks...not so great.

[MoroMurasaki]

Honestly, why shouldn't they? It's not a crazy expectation that a game developer should put in some effort when designing items for their game. Older games manage this just fine - creating both male and female counterparts of an outfit that actually look decent for both genders (and races!). XIV's unisex approach to hairstyles and outfits quite often seem to be clearly designed for one gender in particular, and the other just has to make due with something that looks...not so great.

There are a ton of cute male glams out there.

Also where do you get off implying that SE doesn't put in some effort when designing things as they are?

People love to act like they know what's going on behind the scenes when they clearly have no idea.

I'm all for holding SE accountable for their mistakes but do everyone a favor and put some thought in before blindly criticizing them for things that aren't realistic. Investing time and money in male only glam when far less people are going to use or purchase it is just not good business.