Seriously, If You're Only Going To Create Designs For Women, Just Genderlock

[Theodric]

I personally don't see what's the big deal, if you don't like that something looks too feminine on your guy character then just don't use it, there is plenty of other good pieces for glamour.

The 'big deal' is that a significant amount of casual glamour and hairstyles are now feminine or androgynous in nature. Which means that those of us who don't like that aesthetic have to wait multiple patches to get something we like, whereas people such as yourself get new stuff every single patch.

[Magic-Mal]

People from an old thread that were asking for feminine glams for guys would argue with you lol

I personally don't see what's the big deal, if you don't like that something looks too feminine on your guy character then just don't use it, there is plenty of other good pieces for glamour.

I don't have any male characters so it isn't to dress up any characters of mine lol. It's actually for my partner.

I'm not really fighting for genderlocking female items, I'm making the point of if they're going to design female items all the time and say they're unisex, they might as well genderlock them.

I disagree with you STRONGLY. Maybe people want to be feminine men, or masculine women or maybe somewhere between. Gender and gender expression are NOT binary things, and I find it great that SE to a certain degree respects that by making both genders able to wear most gear they want. Genderlocking is something I hate tbh, let everyone wear whatever they want if that is what makes them happy.

Personally I think that everyone should be allowed to pick the masculine or feminine "version" of the gear when they equip it, but I do realize that it would be a lot of work to do, or even just have one or the other.

You misunderstand. I'm not actually fighting to lock feminine items, I was using that to try and make a point. I'm trying to advocate for more casual masculine male glamour items that are designed with males in mind but unisex, like all the items designed with females in mind but are unisex.

At this point I feel like there are more unisex feminine glamours than masculine unisex glamours. The only glamours I happen to like seeing are all male genderlocked things these days.. which is not alot.

[PondHollow]

Androgyny is fab, yo.

Agreed - but for the specific case of androgynous males, it is already the abundant and overwhelming rule. Now if only other options could be available, particularly for healer gear.

[Usho]

I've been saying this sh*t for a long time now on this forum. I'm glad others agree with my feelings on the state of the gear design. I said this in another thread but if they are just gonna make feminine only stuff like those spellcaster DRESSES for example, then just make the gear gender locked or just unisex everything. Don't just go one way and expect the entire playerbase to enjoy it. Not all players are females, not all players play female characters. SE, you need to wake the heck up and see this for what it is. You give females the best looking glamours and gear designs and give men virtually nothing worth mentioning.



What made you think all spellcasters and healers like to wear ugly behind dresses and high heel boots? This isn't Final Fantasy X-2 with a all female line up. This is a MMO that was made to cater to both men and women of all ages. Not just females alone. You alienate a large chuck of the playerbase catering to females all the time imo. We had to literally beg you just to make the damn bunny suits equippable for guys!



If the playerbase had to beg you for male bunny suits, then what you gonna do if you ever make the Viera race in this game? I know you guys aren't gonna make a one gender only race, like FFXI had. You can make male Viera as well. Shoot you did it for Mi'quote, considering they are just updated versions of Mithra from FFXI. If you make male Viera, you'll need to break the habit of female only since I'm telling you now, not all players are gonna be playing female vieras. A lot will be playing male bunny boys, so you'll need to make male equipment suited for them.


In conclusion I'll say this: If you are gonna make a MMO that appeals to both genders, at least treat both equally when it comes to gear and glamour. I'm a MALE spellcaster, and I'm not fond of wearing dresses personally so I want a caster set that is masculine, stylish and badass. If I play as healer, I don't wanna wear housemaid ROBES, I want a gear set that is masculine and appropriate to the job I'm doing. So basically, either hire better people to design gear, make the gear gender locked or just make ALL gear unisex. Don't just make feminine only gear and expect the entire playerbase to be thrilled about it.





Equal opportunity or none at all.




/2 cents

[Lumivyory]

I'm not really fighting for genderlocking female items, I'm making the point of if they're going to design female items all the time and say they're unisex, they might as well genderlock them.

Well it is certainly always nice to have more variety in glamour.
They did release 2 different variations of the same glamour with gender lock on them before, not sure why they stopped. Would be inetresting to see a "male" version of the Ala Mhigan Gown for example.

[Leloa]

I think the coat and sweaters and some other things aren't as bad while might be a tiny bit femine, they are still usable for guys. But I do agree most glams are too girly, heck I'm a girl and I wouldn't mind something more unisex. And people complaining about hairstyles as well even at times there are long hairs like the braided ponytail, most new hairstyles are still short and for both genders.

[Selova]

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I think people seem to forget that despite XIV's success in the MMO industry, it's a MMO created by a Asian company. Feminine styles both for men and women will always be the focal point when it comes to them designing cosmetics. Feminine looking glamour/cosmetics will always be the highest in demand, It's like this for every single korean/Japanese online game that has a cosmetic system. I'm all for them designing more masculine looking glamour for males, but the amount of players in not only this game but others as well that want Male-centric cosmetics are definitely a minority. I'm not saying that as a reason for them not creating more for the male player base that plays male characters, just pointing out why it is the way it is.

[Theodric]

FFXIV was actually a lot better when it came to varied hairstyles and casual glamour back in the days of ARR and most of Heavenward. It was only towards the end of Heavensward that things took a turn for the worse. The developers even acknowledged the disparity between male and female glamour in a recent interview, but given that they also admitted that it takes months to design new sets it remains to be seen if they're shifting their course.

I also wouldn't consider masculine aesthetics to be something that only a minority desires. Over the years a great many people have spoken up to request more masculine glamour and hairstyles. Some even admitted to only playing a female character because they get more cosmetics.

...and let's not beat around the bush. Many of those downplaying the issue are often doing so because they themselves don't want the status quo to change because they benefit directly.

[BillyKaplan]

They did release 2 different variations of the same glamour with gender lock on them before, not sure why they stopped

Probably because every time they did, people would complain they want the male variant on their Waifus and SE would give and gender unlock the male variations. So between the extra work down the line, and giving ammunition to people rightly complaining male characters are getting shafted, I think they just skipped a couple of steps. "We're not ignoring you, look! It's unisex!" while completely missing the point

[Iscah]

I just googled "men's sweaters" and got something that looks almost exactly like the ingame one in the top row of sponsored links. Maybe we've collectively broken the algorithm searching for aran jumpers or whatever.

Also I did searches for both genders using 'jumper' instead of 'sweater' and got more similar items for men than for women.


Also also, I've seen two people wearing the frilly boulevardier's pants and not the matching shirt. So evidently they're to some people's taste.

I'm also not really liking the 'modern real world' aesthetic being embraced for a lot of the newer glamour options...especially when we're still waiting on some of the cool looking glamour used by decorative civilian NPC's.

Personally I'd rather see them adding more cool fantasy armour to the game as opposed to items that are clearly designed after real life fashion sensebilities. But I guess that idea of having a coherent immersion died along with 1.0 and people would rather have their characters look like fashion models than adventurers.

I agree very much - I'd appreciate more variations of fantasy styles and less modern clothing.

It's not just the glamour sets either. Stormblood's main aesthetic has slid away from it - going from 'medieval' Ishgard to 'modern militia' Gyr Abania was a rude shock - and unless the story takes us other interesting places, I feel like our trip to Garlemald is going to take us even further away from the costume designs I like to see.

Personally I think that everyone should be allowed to pick the masculine or feminine "version" of the gear when they equip it, but I do realize that it would be a lot of work to do, or even just have one or the other.

Yes please! I almost always prefer the 'male' versions of outfits. Being able to choose would be wonderful.

What made you think all spellcasters and healers like to wear ugly behind dresses and high heel boots? This isn't Final Fantasy X-2 with a all female line up. This is a MMO that was made to cater to both men and women of all ages. Not just females alone. You alienate a large chuck of the playerbase catering to females all the time imo. We had to literally beg you just to make the damn bunny suits equippable for guys!

Go back and look at the leveling gear on the marketboard. There are practical-looking outfits like the serge gambisons, Eikon sets, and lots of sensible boots.

Also there seems to be a disconnect between complaining that SE thinks you want to wear female outfits, and the final sentence which seems to imply you were among those begging for the bunny suit!

(Who knows, maybe those constant requests for the bunny suits has made them think that style is what people actually *want* for their male characters...)