Pushed to quit after 1,860 days subbed

[HyoMinPark]

That's because it wasn't explained clearly anywhere in-game. I feel like we're talking in different languages here, not to mention completely missing the point of my response.

If deep down you're implying that it was ultimately OP's fault and that there's nothing to improve upon the housing system, I suppose there's nothing else to discuss. I know you are not saying that, but it sure seems like it if we're arguing about technicalities.

If you read my first post, I said that I was sympathetic to how crappy the Housing is designed in this game. And I never said anything about being against implementing new systems to warn players in-game on top of the outside notifications about demolition. But auto-demolition has been a thing for years (since mid-2.x), and if the OP has been playing since 2.0, they would have heard about it by now, I think. It’s a hot topic of debate on various platforms, present in Patch Notes, present on the Lodestone when they mention suspensions of it and reactivations of it. I question how they missed these notices when they also show up on the launcher itself under “News”.

If someone goes 80 days (again, almost 3 months) without stepping into their house or even thinking about it (but still has time to think about seasonal events, participate in them, and even do weekly Gold Saucer content), how am I supposed to be sympathetic to someone not using their house, and then saying they’re quitting over something that they didn’t use for 3 months? I don’t know how they were grinding out Yokai weapons in 4.2, because that’s when Shirogane 2nd wave came out and Yokai hasn’t been a thing since last summer, but they had time enough to do other things.

[Raskbuck]

If you read my first post, I said that I was sympathetic to how crappy the Housing is designed in this game. And I never said anything about being against implementing new systems to warn players in-game on top of the outside notifications about demolition. But auto-demolition has been a thing for years (since mid-2.x), and if the OP has been playing since 2.0, they would have heard about it by now, I think. It’s a hot topic of debate on various platforms, present in Patch Notes, present on the Lodestone when they mention suspensions of it and reactivations of it. I question how they missed these notices when they also show up on the launcher itself under “News”.

If someone goes 90 days without stepping into their house or even thinking about it (but still has time to think about seasonal events, participate in them, and even do weekly Gold Saucer content), how am I supposed to be sympathetic to someone not using their house, and then saying they’re quitting over something that they didn’t use for 3 months? I don’t know how they were grinding out Yokai weapons in 4.2, because that’s when Shirogane 2nd wave came out and Yokai hasn’t been a thing since last summer, but they had time enough to do other things.

Well, let me just say it's a little upsetting to see people blame the OP for not knowing, instead of trying to address a pretty legitimate concern as a community. I'm a little confused when people put in doubt whether they were -truly- invested in the game/housing. That's not sympathetic, it seems like a low-key attempt to belittle their concern while trying to feel superior themselves.

I suppose there's a good reason why a big part of the community discuss these problems in external sites, because their concerns here are usually met with snarky remarks or condescending comments. If that's the community you want to foster, then by all means, don't let me stop you.

[HyoMinPark]

Well, let me just say it's a little upsetting to see people blame the OP for not knowing, instead of trying to address a pretty legitimate concern as a community. I'm a little confused when people put in doubt whether they were -truly- invested in the game/housing. That's not sympathetic, it seems like a low-key attempt to belittle their concern while trying to feel superior themselves.

I suppose there's a good reason why a big part of the community discuss these problems in external sites, because their concerns here are usually met with snarky remarks or condescending comments. If that's the community you want to foster, then by all means, don't let me stop you.

LOL, okay. It’s not that hard to research and/or read Patch Notes or other Notices that are present on the launcher. Don’t say I’m “fostering a hostile community” because I’m telling people to just read and research things.

I’ve already addressed Housing concerns multiple times on here. But, by all means, continue to judge my character. That’s not addressing the issue either.

[Raven2014]

Well, let me just say it's a little upsetting to see people blame the OP for not knowing.

Only because you seem to be set on insisting it has to be one or another, while pretty much everyone who responded to you stated that it is both. Can the system be improved? Sure. But that still doesn't change the fact that the OP in this case take the lion share of the responsibility over losing his own house. The reasons why had been given to you over many times by other posters in this thread so no need for me to repeat it. I only make this point to point out you shouldn't be so binary in your thought.

It's not like they were hiding information. They were headlight material in patch note and launchers many times before, especially for who has been invested for as long as OP claimed. The information is still there there for those who seek it out. The timer in the calendar ...etc... The email, whether it works or not is just one of the MANY measures in place to warn the players. In my case, it doesn't matter if it works or not, I would check my house on interval regardless, simply the fact that I'm informed.

Accountability has to have a minimum floor somewhere. I do gardening on my private lots, and I had lost count how many times I lost my expensive crops because I forgot to care for them. The reasons varies: didn't log in for many days, too focus on raid progression, too busy playing brain death in Pagos, sometime it's as comical as I actually visit the house daily, but forgot to pass by the garden (since they way I decor my yard they're hidden from the main pathway). Do I wish for a system where the game literally yell at my face "HEY YOUR CROP ARE GOING TO DIE SOON, MOVE IT!", I had never blame anyone or anything else but my own. If you start accepting any and everything as excuse, there will never be enough.

[Raskbuck]

Only because you seem to be set on insisting it has to be one or another, while pretty much everyone who responded to you stated that it is both. Can the system be improved? Sure. But that still doesn't change the fact that the OP in this case take the lion share of the responsibility over losing his own house. The reasons why had been given to you over many times by other posters in this thread so no need for me to repeat it. I only make this point to point out you shouldn't be so binary in your thought.

That's because I feel that pointing out their mistake while they are sharing their frustration is like kicking them while they are down. I'm not entirely sure who benefits from that, and frankly the way it's delivered just feels off to me.
Don't worry, I can tell when I'm the minority in my point of view, and this will be my last reply on the matter. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[Raven2014]

That's because I feel that pointing out their mistake while they are sharing their frustration is like kicking them while they are down.

Maybe it's because we have different standard, but I don't think frustration is a valid reason to absolve oneself from personal responsibility. If something bad happens to someone through no fault of theirs, and they come cry on my shoulder I would have no problem offering my sympathy. But if someone use their frustration to shift the blame to others, I would more than likely give it to them straight in the fact that the should reflect on their own short coming.

[R-Pete-G]

Accountability has to have a minimum floor somewhere. I do gardening on my private lots, and I had lost count how many times I lost my expensive crops because I forgot to care for them. The reasons varies: didn't log in for many days, too focus on raid progression, too busy playing brain death in Pagos, sometime it's as comical as I actually visit the house daily, but forgot to pass by the garden (since they way I decor my yard they're hidden from the main pathway). Do I wish for a system where the game literally yell at my face "HEY YOUR CROP ARE GOING TO DIE SOON, MOVE IT!", I had never blame anyone or anything else but my own. If you start accepting any and everything as excuse, there will never be enough.

This is actually a great example, because when you start gardening for the first time you get a little help window. This tells you that your plants will need regular care and maintenance, or they will wither and die. This is what I would consider to be the minimum reasonable accountability for the game to inform you of a mechanic like this. For housing decay / auto demolition, there is none.

Whether you meant to or not, you've given a helpful illustration of what housing lacks in this respect!

[Raskbuck]

Only because you seem to be set on insisting it has to be one or another, while pretty much everyone who responded to you stated that it is both. Can the system be improved? Sure. But that still doesn't change the fact that the OP in this case take the lion share of the responsibility over losing his own house. The reasons why had been given to you over many times by other posters in this thread so no need for me to repeat it. I only make this point to point out you shouldn't be so binary in your thought.

It's not like they were hiding information. They were headlight material in patch note and launchers many times before, especially for who has been invested for as long as OP claimed. The information is still there there for those who seek it out. The timer in the calendar ...etc... The email, whether it works or not is just one of the MANY measures in place to warn the players. In my case, it doesn't matter if it works or not, I would check my house on interval regardless, simply the fact that I'm informed.

Accountability has to have a minimum floor somewhere. I do gardening on my private lots, and I had lost count how many times I lost my expensive crops because I forgot to care for them. The reasons varies: didn't log in for many days, too focus on raid progression, too busy playing brain death in Pagos, sometime it's as comical as I actually visit the house daily, but forgot to pass by the garden (since they way I decor my yard they're hidden from the main pathway). Do I wish for a system where the game literally yell at my face "HEY YOUR CROP ARE GOING TO DIE SOON, MOVE IT!", I had never blame anyone or anything else but my own. If you start accepting any and everything as excuse, there will never be enough.

I know I said that was going to be my last response, but since you've edited your post to add those extra couple of paragraphs, I'd like to elaborate further where I'm coming from.

OP has been a long time subscriber of the game, stating they would have supported the game from beginning to end, and then this incident happens to them. They share their frustration on the forums, and explain how this has impacted their experience with the game while offering some feedback to improve upon it.

A lot of people seem fixated on arguing whether OP is the one at fault here or not, judging that they didn't deserve to own the house in the first place. This is the point that, to me personally, I find difficult to wrap my head around. They didn't make this thread with the intention of pointing fingers or trying to shift blame; they were explaining where they were coming from and, maybe, get some support from the community so that it stings less. Instead, we are greeted with several comments remarking that they were the one at fault here for not doing X and Y.

It's difficult to offer heartfelt feedback on the official forums when people are so quick to jump the gun and attack each other. At the end of the day, I'd like to believe we all want to see the game grow and improve. This thread was meant to shine a light on some of the issues part of the community has with the current housing system.

That's what I find so disconcerting about the whole way the thread has evolved, and why I feel it's necessary to mention. You may keep thinking I'm looking at things in binary, and that's okay. At the end of the day we are all just offering our point of view.

[ko_]

I know I said that was going to be my last response, but since you've edited your post to add those extra couple of paragraphs, I'd like to elaborate further where I'm coming from.

OP has been a long time subscriber of the game, stating they would have supported the game from beginning to end, and then this incident happens to them. They share their frustration on the forums, and explain how this has impacted their experience with the game while offering some feedback to improve upon it.

A lot of people seem fixated on arguing whether OP is the one at fault here or not, judging that they didn't deserve to own the house in the first place. This is the point that, to me personally, I find difficult to wrap my head around. They didn't make this thread with the intention of pointing fingers or trying to shift blame; they were explaining where they were coming from and, maybe, get some support from the community so that it stings less. Instead, we are greeted with several comments remarking that they were the one at fault here for not doing X and Y.

It's difficult to offer heartfelt feedback on the official forums when people are so quick to jump the gun and attack each other. At the end of the day, I'd like to believe we all want to see the game grow and improve. This thread was meant to shine a light on some of the issues part of the community has with the current housing system.

That's what I find so disconcerting about the whole way the thread has evolved, and why I feel it's necessary to mention. You may keep thinking I'm looking at things in binary, and that's okay. At the end of the day we are all just offering our point of view.

The issue is had the OP been more informed he never would've lost his house. Noone here is going to feel sorry for you on the housing issue when it's so extremely limited AND so many people are without houses to begin with. This was the LAST place to look for hugs and pats my friend. Not saying I agree with it, but you HAVE to know what you're jumping into period. Savage, dungeons, housing, forums crafting etc etc.. or hell in LIFE itself. Noone is going to just give you everything you need on a plate without you first asking for it. The point is don't blame the people here for questioning like they did, we all have access to the same info. If you're playing the game you have no to little excuse to not be informed on the limited resource. It's just how it is sadly.

[Canadane]

Well, let me just say it's a little upsetting to see people blame the OP for not knowing, instead of trying to address a pretty legitimate concern as a community.

Two reasons here.
One, the OP was going on and on about how much he was into the game, but never took the time to learn about it's functions it seems. They set themselves up for this, really. I'm not trying to victim blame, I simply just see it as an illogical step in what happened.
Two, the systems have been stated to be working fine time and time again. Seemingly very few legitimate bug reports are going out on this even though tons of people supposedly have issues. But not one has been confirmed as a bug in the system. There was a recent topic about this very subject and I think a lot of players finally got the idea that there's no real danger, it's people simply mismanaging themselves.

Like I said before, I wish everyone could have a house. I really do. But this is what we have, and we do what we can to work with it. I don't think myself, Hyomin, Sigma-Astra (Do you prefer Soma?) or anyone else is going on with a superiority complex. We're just stating facts.