We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Hamada]

This was exactly why they put the lock on the accessories, it also ties in to what I’m going to say below.

As an aside about the i270 stuff, the funny thing was, is that raiders were fully prepared to go into Deltascape with i270 Alexandrian accessories because the accessories at the time did not have STR on them. It wasn’t uncommon to see tanks in Expert Roulette wearing their Alexandrian right side.



My honest opinion of this is that the developers have a vision in their head of how we are supposed to play, and when a group goes against that vision (e.g., tanks in DPS stance never touching their aggro combo), the developers don’t tend to like that, as it ruins their vision. So, they implement things to try and stop the behavior: removing the ability equip STR jewelry (or even removing it entirely from tank accessories, as it was when 4.0 launched); trying to add additional affects/potencies to skills under [tank stance] effect to make them use tank stance (there is a DRK ability that makes it seem like it would do more damage in Grit, but it actually doesn’t once you factor in damage penalties from turning Grit on); etc.. But, they eventually realize it’s a pointless endeavor, so they “cave” and try to compromise. Sadly, the compromise is still not enough (at least with regards to tank accessories).
Now, behavior like this is more common in NA, but it is certainly not limited to NA only; JP cares just as much about optimization and a certain website as NA does (heck, a lot of the top runs in terms of damage and skill tend to be by JP players most of the time). The JP side of it is just less blunt and direct, from what I understand (and that falls in line with how they typically are culturally).

I really do not get what you are trying to tell me or add to my post. i did explain they later added str so why point out something like " accessories at the time did not have STR on them" to me?

Same with the second part,, why are you talking about who optimization what and where? That is not the issue im talking about. What I am talking about is that they are out of touch (at least with the NA population) with people cheesing out entering the duty finder. They did not change jewelry to curb this, they ONLY did the change to the jewelry because of tanks wearing STR gear, NOT people cheesing the duty finder, wearing stuff that does not apply to your job at all. Also SB has not curb people doing this:




So this goes way back to this and why this was started:

Oh THOSE. Yeah the devs need to take action with that as well. They seem to have a big problem with changing anything that isn't the new thing. Tanks up to SB can still wear STR accessories, but also everything else. Again, another oversight by the loveable devs. Or maybe not an oversight. Just didn't care.

The real answer is, they are ignoring a NA player base problem. does anyone really know if the Japanese player base have players frequently cheesing the duty finder requirements?

I AM SO LOST RIGHT NOW! You already responded to my quote last page but now you're responding to the same quote with a totally different response that doesn't correctly respond to my quote @_@. I never said SB fixed the ilvl issue I said that SB fixed the "All Classes" issue with DoW players putting on magic gear, since all gear in SB is job-locked.

IT DID NOT THOUGH!!! you can still enter SB dungeons in 50 and below "all class" crafter gear.

[Magic-Mal]

IT DID NOT THOUGH!!! you can still enter SB dungeons in 50 and below "all class" crafter gear.

THAT'S MY POINT!! I don't think you're realizing that we're talking about the same gearing issue with the "All Classes" tag.

SB fixed the issue with SB GEAR meaning SB gear doesn't have any gear with "All Classes". That was my point!!! And I specifically pointed out how it was an issue because ARR gear and HW gear WEREN'T FIXED!

[HyoMinPark]

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Calm down; I’m literally only building off of points you already provided, as well as providing a counterargument into why I personally think they added in the job lock to accessories—it is, in a way, to prevent tanks from using STR accessories; but that also comes from the developer’s way they think tanks should be played in this game (i.e., always in tank stance, always using their enmity combos, etc.).

I personally don’t think the change came from making it easier on healers to heal, as I never had issues healing STR tanks in HW (and I’m not a healer main, nor was I a Savage raider back then—I only did Ex trials up until the final months of Creator). With the change to tank damage scaling off of VIT in 3.4, there was no issues healing tanks then. But that change was reverted thanks to changing in how Weakness/Brink of Death functioned, which was already discussed several pages back (so I’m not going to rehash it now).

Not everything is an attack on your posts.


EDIT: If you would like me to specifically address DF queue cheesing, then there is a simple solution to this: regardless of the gear one is currently wearing, if their job meets the level requirements for a duty, they will always have the chance of landing in that duty (e.g., a person is level 70, but they don’t want to get Swallow’s Compass so they attempt to remove gear too lower their item level so it does not pop—but the Duty Finder ignores this and puts them in the queue for it anyways, as they have unlocked it and they meet the base level requirement for it; it would also help if the game was able to recognize “They’ve cleared this content before” to also add another layer of ignoring item level manipulations).