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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    Yeah, that is too vague to use to blame raiders for like some others in this thread are doing.

    Going by the quote from that section:
    "The following adjustments have been made to “The Diadem” as a result of balance changes to the Duty Finder:"

    Maybe SE was concerned about the wait times for dungeons and void ark in DF. Diadem gear basically removed any need to run void ark (even though it was released at the same time as Diadem, Diadem basically made void ark dead on release) or experts anymore. My boyfriend and I played during this time and we recall really bad DF wait times on experts when Diadem came out.

    Just speculation though, because this header doesn't really make sense for them just nerfing it to nerf it, although it might just be a way to hide true intentions.
    Which is why I said that raiders were partially to blame, not to be blamed entirely for it. And yea, SE generally leaves things vague if they need to report on a nerf like that.
    As for the DF wait times, that seemed to have been a different issue that got fixed in the December 7 hotfix (scroll down a bit in the link I posted).

    Quote Originally Posted by Miste
    If I was to make an educated guess, that change might have been to stop everyone camping Dino Island and no where else. Like an entire zone and all anyone did was go to Dino Island. If that were the case then it was not raider complaints that did it, simply that SE likely wanted people to actually do things in other areas.

    But that is just a guess, the information is too vague. Also the players might have perceived less i210 gear when it might have not been the case. Simply not enough data to go on and no way to test it since Diadem 1.0 is gone.
    If that were the case, people would've found another effective way of farming i210 gear, and the players that farmed for it before the nerf would've kept on going back in.
    That didn't happen, since Diadem pretty much died, and stayed dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miste
    Of course it is unprofessional, and of course they wouldn't do that. My point in saying that was simply that there is no proof to generalize all raiders and blame us all for Diadem.
    Like I said earlier in this post, partial blame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miste
    Wasn't saying you had a grudge. My initial response was to someone else and is due to some other posters in this thread using Diadem to hold a grudge and blame raiders for it. You just replied to me about it so I am explaining my logic, it was not an accusation.
    Fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miste
    Still doesn't prove that SE did any of this due to raiders. They can have their own reasons for doing things after all, and it may be because they noticed balance was being thrown off making content dead too soon (you have to remember that i280 weapon also invalidated the relic, not just the savage weapon, so raid gear is not the only thing on the table here).
    Their decision still lined up with the raider's complaints, so we'll never know for sure. And I definitely remember about the HW relic, because I had gone for it as well. That said, once I found out about the hilariously bad RNG to even obtain an i280 weapon, I wasn't too bothered about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    Which is why I said that raiders were partially to blame, not to be blamed entirely for it
    Like I said earlier in this post, partial blame.
    You don't have any proof to claim raiders had even partial blame, you do realize that right? Full or partial doesn't matter for my point from the beginning that you have no proof to put blame.

    We simply don't know the full reasons for anything SE does. So, like I said before, you cannot place blame on anyone except SE because you lack the facts to do that.

    Either prove it with facts (which you have no access to since you don't work at SE), or give up (you might as well since again you have no proof), you can't win this argument that raiders deserve any blame for anything. The truth is you don't know, we don't know, no one but SE knows. So you can't throw blame or anything else to do with SE's decisions on to any one group in the player community.
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    Last edited by Miste; 09-11-2018 at 03:21 AM.