Let's talk about Hunts - a detailed rundown of their assumed mechanics

[dmcincubus]

What are everyone's theories on Udumbara? I understand that the consensus is leshys/diakkas (and possibly sapria) kills, whether it be 50x, 100x, etc. but i just feel there's something missing.

a few of my hunt friends have noticed that the plant based enemies scream. Udumbara's lore is:

"Ah, the elusive Udumbara. Patient. Silent. Deadly. This massive man-eating plant is rarely seen until it burts forth from the ground to feed.
So difficult is this mark to find, it takes its name from a tree of legend whose flowers are said to bloom only once every three thousand years.
One theory has it that Udumbara senses the silent screams of nearby vegetation, their unheard cacophony bringing word of approaching prey. Mayhap there is a way to use this knowledge to coax the monster from its earthern next..."


SILENT SCREAMS. I feel this rules Diakkas out completely, because they scream with every death. That leaves Saprias and Leshys, who do not scream with every death, and i feel that's what is part of the trigger. when they don't scream. whether it's 50x or 100x, we haven't been able to figure that out yet.

[dmcincubus]

Actually, S Rank spots are immediately determined once it's spawned and killed. for example, if you spawn Nandi, once you kill it, it will immediately reserve its next spawn point. The cool thing is, you can kill the B Rank in the area mulitple times and narrow the S Ranks spawn point down to 1 or 2 points, because the B Rank will never spawn in the reserved S rank spot or even the reserved A rank spot. then once the A Rank spawns, you'll be left with your guaranteed next s ranks spawn point for Nandi.

This actually works for every single S Rank in all 3 zones. We have a lot of fun with this on our server, and focus mainly with the S Rank landmine spawns such as Nandi, Gamma, Orghana, Croak, Kaiser, etc.


EDIT: I was actually meaning to respond to someone in this thread a few pages back, apparently i didn't hit the quote button.

[alimdia]

What are everyone's theories on Udumbara? I understand that the consensus is leshys/diakkas (and possibly sapria) kills, whether it be 50x, 100x, etc. but i just feel there's something missing.

a few of my hunt friends have noticed that the plant based enemies scream. Udumbara's lore is:

"Ah, the elusive Udumbara. Patient. Silent. Deadly. This massive man-eating plant is rarely seen until it burts forth from the ground to feed.
So difficult is this mark to find, it takes its name from a tree of legend whose flowers are said to bloom only once every three thousand years.
One theory has it that Udumbara senses the silent screams of nearby vegetation, their unheard cacophony bringing word of approaching prey. Mayhap there is a way to use this knowledge to coax the monster from its earthern next..."


SILENT SCREAMS. I feel this rules Diakkas out completely, because they scream with every death. That leaves Saprias and Leshys, who do not scream with every death, and i feel that's what is part of the trigger. when they don't scream. whether it's 50x or 100x, we haven't been able to figure that out yet.

Well, we've had a lot of consistent spawns in the last year by not touching sapria at all, only leshy and diakka. I wouldn't take the English flavor text as gospel because it doesn't always say the same thing as JP/DE/FR.

[NoboruSouma]

Actually, S Rank spots are immediately determined once it's spawned and killed. for example, if you spawn Nandi, once you kill it, it will immediately reserve its next spawn point. The cool thing is, you can kill the B Rank in the area mulitple times and narrow the S Ranks spawn point down to 1 or 2 points, because the B Rank will never spawn in the reserved S rank spot or even the reserved A rank spot. then once the A Rank spawns, you'll be left with your guaranteed next s ranks spawn point for Nandi.

This actually works for every single S Rank in all 3 zones. We have a lot of fun with this on our server, and focus mainly with the S Rank landmine spawns such as Nandi, Gamma, Orghana, Croak, Kaiser, etc.


EDIT: I was actually meaning to respond to someone in this thread a few pages back, apparently i didn't hit the quote button.

We know this for a very .. very .. very long time now, yet we never made it public because it can be abused.
I had a talk about this with Cable Monkey and we both agreed that The Spawn Community should stay silent on it.

It went that far that even seasoned spawners on Louisoix went against the community and it caused a big fiasco.

Some information has to stay in a room with few people. Some information is not meant to be public as it can interfere with peace . . .

Thank god not all information we have is spread around this much.

[dmcincubus]

We know this for a very .. very .. very long time now, yet we never made it public because it can be abused.
I had a talk about this with Cable Monkey and we both agreed that The Spawn Community should stay silent on it.

It went that far that even seasoned spawners on Louisoix went against the community and it caused a big fiasco.

Some information has to stay in a room with few people. Some information is not meant to be public as it can interfere with peace . . .

Thank god not all information we have is spread around this much.

I don't see how it can be abused. Usually, we have parties of 4-8 people doing this and mapping out s ranks, and sometimes it takes hours. It's literally not worth doing if you're someone who is literally just trying to make life hell and snipe s ranks, which we do not have this problem on Midgard, and honestly, Midgard probably has one of the better hunting communities in FF14. I'm more concerned about rogue people using ACT and other 3rd party programs sniping S Ranks than rogue people actually taking the time to map out an s rank for 2-4 hours just to find its spawn point.

[dmcincubus]

Well, we've had a lot of consistent spawns in the last year by not touching sapria at all, only leshy and diakka. I wouldn't take the English flavor text as gospel because it doesn't always say the same thing as JP/DE/FR.

Understood. Unfortunately, our spawns are quite inconsistent lately with a pretty strong s rank spawn community. But we also have BOTS in our areas who farm FATES and are always killing Saprias.

[fadeless]

We know this for a very .. very .. very long time now, yet we never made it public because it can be abused.
I had a talk about this with Cable Monkey and we both agreed that The Spawn Community should stay silent on it.

It went that far that even seasoned spawners on Louisoix went against the community and it caused a big fiasco.

Some information has to stay in a room with few people. Some information is not meant to be public as it can interfere with peace . . .

Thank god not all information we have is spread around this much.

Someone already link said post to subreddit gg. Sorry to all the populated servers.

I don't see how it can be abused. Usually, we have parties of 4-8 people doing this and mapping out s ranks, and sometimes it takes hours. It's literally not worth doing if you're someone who is literally just trying to make life hell and snipe s ranks, which we do not have this problem on Midgard, and honestly, Midgard probably has one of the better hunting communities in FF14. I'm more concerned about rogue people using ACT and other 3rd party programs sniping S Ranks than rogue people actually taking the time to map out an s rank for 2-4 hours just to find its spawn point.

Just because your server's hunt community plays nice doesn't necessary mean evey other server is the same. It's been briefly mentioned before in thread and everyone was smart enough to move along because anyone that actually knows something, knows it's best to leave things alone to keep the peace.

[alimdia]

I really don't see how this can be abused unless your data of which spawn point is reserved for the S rank is leaked somehow, your average hunt troll wont commit that much time to killing B ranks for hours per map every few days.

[Leonoire]

We know this for a very .. very .. very long time now, yet we never made it public because it can be abused.
I had a talk about this with Cable Monkey and we both agreed that The Spawn Community should stay silent on it.

It went that far that even seasoned spawners on Louisoix went against the community and it caused a big fiasco.

Some information has to stay in a room with few people. Some information is not meant to be public as it can interfere with peace . . .

Thank god not all information we have is spread around this much.

Oh...that explain a lot. Well pretty sure it got leaked by a exiled spawner to a certain community that-must-not-be-named and made it to the wild.

I really don't see how this can be abused unless your data of which spawn point is reserved for the S rank is leaked somehow, your average hunt troll wont commit that much time to killing B ranks for hours per map every few days.

And then there is spawner war like in Odin. That's where infos like this is volatile.

[Rita1989]

We know this for a very .. very .. very long time now, yet we never made it public because it can be abused.
I had a talk about this with Cable Monkey and we both agreed that The Spawn Community should stay silent on it.

It went that far that even seasoned spawners on Louisoix went against the community and it caused a big fiasco.

Some information has to stay in a room with few people. Some information is not meant to be public as it can interfere with peace . . .

Thank god not all information we have is spread around this much.

Uh its been common knowledge on Balmung for a while now so I don't see how it was secret