White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Theodric]

Get over yourself.

It's a little concerning that you're so worked up over the earrings when your join date puts you as someone who did not even start in 1.0.

That's even more baffling than those complaining who did play back in 1.0. For the record, I don't even plan to use the earrings. I'll be throwing them in my armoire at the first opportunity. I did, however, appreciate the fact that the development team wanted to give players who starts in 2.0 and beyond a little taste of 1.0.

It's a real shame that they were essentially coerced into apologising. They did nothing wrong and some of the loudest voices were driven by entitlement and a selfish desire to be 'exclusive' whilst others were getting outraged on behalf of the vocal minority and completely ignoring the 1.0 players who spoke up and said they had no issue with the move.

[Penthea]

It's not clinging to an item, it's being able to trust the developers to keep their word that when they say something was exclusive, it stays that way.

As far as I know they didn't say the earrings would be exclusive to 1.0, but that they wouldn't be obtainable in ARR...and well we got them in SB. Do correct me if I'm wrong though.

SE should have had better foresight and renamed the earrings. I do understand how them not being in any way different to the originals being somewhat upsetting.

Second, the fact they even recycled an old item, which has nothing to do with what the event really entails is also disturbing. Lets just make a quest and find something so we can waste little development time as possible for celebrating five years.

I personally think this is a far bigger issue than what this thread tries to be about. The earrings look cool...but they kind of have nothing to do with the event other than being something from 1.0, which is a tenuous link at best in this case. It does seem like lazy design for something marking the 5th anniversary.

Get over yourself.

Some of the 1.0 players in this thread need to be told exactly this. It's pretty insulting when they keep calling themselves the true supporters of the game.

[Fawkes]

It's a little concerning that you're so worked up over the earrings when your join date puts you as someone who did not even start in 1.0.

That's even more baffling than those complaining who did play back in 1.0. For the record, I don't even plan to use the earrings. I'll be throwing them in my armoire at the first opportunity. I did, however, appreciate the fact that the development team wanted to give players who starts in 2.0 and beyond a little taste of 1.0.

It's a real shame that they were essentially coerced into apologising. They did nothing wrong and some of the loudest voices were driven by entitlement and a selfish desire to be 'exclusive' whilst others were getting outraged on behalf of the vocal minority and completely ignoring the 1.0 players who spoke up and said they had no issue with the move.

Does your troll handbook say to use the words "vocal minority" in every post?

Decent bait otherwise, keep up the good work.

[Hestzhyen]

It's a little concerning that you're so worked up over the earrings when your join date puts you as someone who did not even start in 1.0.

That's even more baffling than those complaining who did play back in 1.0. For the record, I don't even plan to use the earrings. I'll be throwing them in my armoire at the first opportunity. I did, however, appreciate the fact that the development team wanted to give players who starts in 2.0 and beyond a little taste of 1.0.

It's a real shame that they were essentially coerced into apologising. They did nothing wrong and some of the loudest voices were driven by entitlement and a selfish desire to be 'exclusive' whilst others were getting outraged on behalf of the vocal minority and completely ignoring the 1.0 players who spoke up and said they had no issue with the move.

Given how infrequently we hear from SE when stuff blows up on the forums, I don't think they were "coerced" into replying... they instead acknowledged a mistake was made and they will be thinking twice before reintroducing exclusive 1.0 items without considering the players who own and still value them. I don't think that's unreasonable. They're not promising to rename the new stuff or revoke it all right away or never put 1.0 stuff into the game again... just saying they will be more mindful about how they go about it in the future.

People wanting trophies and tokens that they can show off for special feats is far, far older than XIV. It's also not entitlement to want to keep something that was hard-earned rare and special. I would have agreed with you about people needing to get over themselves if we got "Replica White Raven" earrings but we got the real deal for dying a bunch in some FATEs when the people who originally earned them went through hell and back right before the servers shut down for good. That's not cool and it's understandable that the people who put in the time and effort are miffed. It's nice to see there are people who don't mind sharing their cool stuff but for those who believed SE would keep their word about the item's exclusivity, breaking it leaves sour feelings (and the bad PR of "SE broke a promise to the most dedicated players" is probably the REAL reason they replied, honestly). They have every right to be vocal about it.

[Floortank]

Throwing a tantrum over silly earrings. There goes the myth that legacy players support this game.

[Clover_Blake]

You are painting other people in whatever colour your opinion thinks they should be no matter what the actual truth is or bothering to discuss with them to find out why they might feel the way they do. You are basically saying "you have this opinion so you must be this or that", pretty basic form of prejudice.

Coming from someone who claimed that people are just envious of those who have "an achievement that they don't", this is an interesting statement.

No. What I'm basically saying is that I can't agree with the attitude of "I don't want anyone else to have this because I want to remain exclusive". You might approve of it, of course; I personally don't and that's not going to change.

It is just your opinion that people just want to feel exclusive and special, it is just your opinion that they want things that no one else owns.

I don't think that's a matter of opinions. This whole matter has become so big because some people didn't want others to get an item that they value, period. Feel free to romanticize everyone's personal reasons, but it won't change that simple detail.

You claim you hate the drama surrounding this whole thing, but you are participating in it and your last two posts in here are simply stirring the pot as well, so it is pretty pointless and hypocritical to try to complain about something you are actively doing yourself.

Um, I apologize if I offended you in any way, But I think you're somehow trying to twist and turn the focus of the real conflict that happened here, putting the blame on the people who disapprove of it. It wasn't me who made Yoshida apologize; I merely stated my disappointment about the fact.

I simply suggested they be called replicas because it makes logical sense and both sides get what they want.

And I don't disagree with this. Sounds like a good middle ground (?)
Doesn't change the fact that all this drama was sparked over the wish to remain exclusive and not share something with the rest of the community, which, as I said, is not a mindset I'm a fan of. I can usually ignore it, but seeing Yoshida apologize over something I don't consider a right attitude, and then seeing some players reply to him with a very condescending tone... well, it made me want to leave a small pull of ears here.

I don't believe I'll need to share my opinion on this matter again.

[Spiriel_Basanda]

I don't really care too much about the main discussion going on in this thread, I just had to post to say this, cause this is the thread it was posted in.

Others have asked for the story alone to be told on a DVD or in a book, but as I've already mentioned, the plot was plagued with issues, and as I took the liberty of ignoring certain points of lore, it suffers from numerous inconsistencies. I think it's fair to say that it worked precisely because─as the rebirth was described at its unveiling─it was a "once-in-a-lifetime experience" that marked the end of an era.

As someone who has spent a very large amount of time trawling the internet and Youtube to find bits of text regarding the storyline of FFXIV 1.0, this is terrible! I've seen what I believe to be most of the cutscenes following the main storyline of 1.X, but being just the cutscenes, there are fairly large gaps between sequences at times that don't make sense without the context of the quests in between. I would have liked to know everything that was said to make sense of what was there, despite being "shambles". A book or a DVD would've shown me everything I want to know, and would still like for one to happen. I've greatly enjoyed it when I can make connections between the same characters in 1.x and 2.x.

Though I suppose at least that little bit about forcing the 1.0 storyline into the Seventh Umbral Era arc explains the biggest gap of them all. The last of the earliest main quest cutscenes(I think, anyway) ends with you talking to Minfillia about the Resistance no longer sending people south to suddenly launching into the Seventh Umbral Era. I tried really hard to find something, anything that made a connection, but if there really isn't anything, that explains why I have not found it.

It's ironic this comes out of a topic about the White Ravens, I suppose. The main reason I started fishing around for 1.0 storyline was because I was doing the Coils for the first time during HW when I got to the Nael fight. After the cutscenes and all were done, I just had to know who Nael actually was and why s/he was there. So I set about trying to find out.

To end, I suppose I'll just say, I'm so upset that my computer at the time couldn't handle 1.X. I really wanted to play it, I did. I was there, but my computer would force a shutdown due to overheating if I went anywhere other then Thanalan, so I gave up on it. Alas, not everything works out.

[Ruru_Nayu]

"Oh no others can have earrings trough an event i had before them but never wore thoose earrings, how dare of you SE."
Just get over it, it's just earrings noone cares.

[polyphonica]

I mean, its rather obvious but still, where is that comment about being conscious about the fact that some players dislike the route this game take at times (words for words)?

Are theses exactly the words used in the japanese post that english players did not get but french players got?

This is a really late reply, but for what it's worth, it looks like the French translation treated the Japanese text a little bit differently, and the English is a bit more literal in this case.

The Japanese text goes like this:

苦しい時代を乗り越え、レガシープレイヤーの皆さんと苦楽を共にして迎えられた新生ですが、
新生以降も決して楽な道のりではなく、そのたびに僕たちは、等しくすべてのプレイヤーに支えられて、ここまで歩んでくることができました。

This is basically alluding to the fact that not only was the 1.x experience a challenge that legacy players went through, but there have also been bumps in the road since 2.0 as well. And then they follow this by returning to the earlier subject:

多数のリクエストをいただいていましたが、当時の完全再現は不可能で、それをするつもりがないことに変わりはありません。

Essentially that despite the many requests to recreate the 1.x experience, we aren't planning to go back.

(The English translation conveys these points pretty faithfully, so I'm just summarizing.)


The French translation combined these two parts into a single sentence, and so changed the context slightly. It starts...

"Je suis conscient qu’une partie d’entre vous a un avis un peu mitigé sur la manière dont certains éléments du jeu ont évolué..."

Which is, in a very broad sense, what the first Japanese part is talking about -- that they're aware that the road since 2.0 has had its problems too -- but then they link that directly to the conclusion of the second part --

"...mais nos décisions sont prises et nous ne reviendrons pas en arrière."

-- that the decisions are made and we're not turning back.


In a very broad sense, you can say that the French translation conveys the meaning: the past is the past, and we're going to keep moving forward. But really, the message was about three points: 1) they value the legacy players that stuck with them through thick and thin (both in 1.x and since ARR), 2) despite requests they aren't planning to recreate 1.x, and (as it went on to say) 3) this event is about bringing back just a little bit of the feeling/atmosphere of the end of 1.x and encouraging reminiscing, and so calling it a "replica" would have been more suitable.

I would not say they were trying to make some sort of statement that they are aware people don't like the direction the game has taken or anything that grandiose, but just acknowledging that they've made mistakes along the way and appreciating that legacy players have stuck with them through it.

Anyway, this is basically academic, but for whatever it's worth.

[Darrcyphfeid]

It's a little concerning that you're so worked up over the earrings when your join date puts you as someone who did not even start in 1.0.

That's even more baffling than those complaining who did play back in 1.0.

What's most baffling is that a person with no vanity items from raids, even ones that are essentially being given away for free such as the Gobwalker, is so deeply concerned about this issue that they've felt the need to post 41 times in this thread. More than anyone else.

The simple fact of the matter is, and this isn't meant to be malicious, the truth is that you don't care about value/prestige/exclusivity because you haven't earned anything to protect. Your tune would be entirely different otherwise.

Most people, I would think, are not upset that a "pair of earrings" were given away. No, they're upset that an achievement was given away. These are often the same people that weren't pleased when undersized party toggle was added and tore away Coil and SCoB Savage exclusivity. The people that will be peeved when Ultimate becomes available for undersize, because while one part of the PR mouthpiece was entertaining the notion of never removing the level restriction from Ultimate the other part was going and devaluing a different item of the same ilk.

"White Ravens shouldn't be protected because nothing else is protected" is looking at it from the wrong angle. "White Ravens should be protected so Ultimate and future high-end fights retain value" is the correct angle. Yes it sucks that Rivenroad isn't available anymore to even have a shot at trying your hand at, but unfortunately that's just how it goes for now.