We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Noodle_Trinidad]

name one thing you need bis to clear.
a lot of you are even LESS skilled than casual players because we dont need parsers, zoomhacks or act triggers to play a videogame.

I was with you till this point. I'm sorry but I think a good chunk of the FFXIV community suffers from the fact that this game seems to have a very very low skill floor. Almost anyone who raids seems to be the people who actually bother to learn their job and its rotation making them already a cut above the rest.

Still you are correct in the sense that BiS is meaningless given its tied to content you have essentially cleared with its benefit only being "You get to beat content you beat in a faster timeframe and faceroll easier content even harder" Honestly the only content its relevant in is Ultimate itself but that issue becomes moot once a higher iLvl is released and syncs it down to that "era's" stats. The fact that it dies off so easily by HQ Crafted gear the second a new iLvl patch is dropped is insulting but that stems more from the fact that the Dev Team hasn't been able to address the downfalls of keeping a game tied to a item Level based gearing system. Not like they have shown any effort given Yoshida himself told one of his JP players who asked them how they'll resolve the iLvl dilemma during one of his Server (Masamune) visits that to enjoy the items with the glamour system instead.

Still as it stands they are currently Trophy Items for people who can say "I Cleared This!" and thats fine but this game has a horrible history with keeping items worthy of mention into such things, sooner or later they will lose their prestige and become mere trinkets/glamour and that does not serve well in the long run with any kind of raiding community which is why I hope they keep with their promise of Ultimate never being unsyncable.
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[Sigma-Astra]

name one thing you need bis to clear.

Name one thing bis gear with savage pieces lets you do that you can't do in the game already. By the time you get all the pieces, you have cleared everything worth clearing, and nothing is tuned so tightly that you need bis to beat it, not even ultimate or it would be 100% impossible to sell runs.

And no offense, raiders are just people who bang their heads against single fights for weeks to months, a lot of you are even LESS skilled than casual players because we dont need parsers, zoomhacks or act triggers to play a videogame.

For one, a person going into Ultimate Coil or Ultima's Refrain should and would theoretically need BiS pieces from Savage and tome to clear it. I mean, that's not rocket science Riyah, that's common sense. Now, once you clear that content, that's another matter entirely. So, your "by the time you get all of the pieces, you have cleared everything worth clearing" is a cop out and bs line that's heavily dripping with personal bias and flawed logic.

"Nothing is tuned so tightly that you need BiS to beat it, not even Ultimate or it would be 100% impossible to sell runs"

....this is another piece of flawed logic and a fallacy. You do realize what those people do when they're selling runs, yes? Otherwise, you wouldn't spout such ignorance.

And no offense, raiders are just people who bang their heads against single fights for weeks to months, a lot of you are even LESS skilled than casual players because we dont need parsers, zoomhacks or act triggers to play a videogame.

No, you meant offense or you wouldn't have just called out the entire subset of people who raid being less skilled than people like you because of your own personal bias and hatred against the raiding community so you could have some of kind of trolling, "aha, gotcha" moment. Really, you just made yourself sound incredibly spiteful, immature, and naive.

Do you realize that raiders do the same content that you do and not everyone uses these tools? By god, sometimes I wish people like you in expert had tools or I wouldn't be carrying your dead weight through expert when I'm trying to relax. I don't even use the tools and I can tell when someone is being detrimental towards the entire group.

It's not hard to find out or see unless you're blindfolded or watching Netflix. Honestly, and there's a thing, I kick the casual people that decide they would rather watch Netflix then pay attention to my DF run. Don't multi-task if you can't do it correctly.

Another thing, I'm banging my head more so in casual content than Savage content simply because of how detrimental and terrible people can be in CASUAL CONTENT THAT'S SUPPOSE TO BE EASIER THAN SAVAGE.

[RiyahArp]

I'm just gonna keep this quote here. The words of the Great Holy Riyah Arpeggio deserve to be enshrined and gilded. I'll just go back to my lolfflogs, that's my content, right?

I don't like people calling others embarassments because they think they are more skilled. TBH raiding in this game is not done not because its too hard, but because it's not fun. There are a lot of skilled players outside the raid culture that simply don't bother with raiding because of that; people who don't want to commit to a static, people who think leaderboards are stupid, people who dislike the need for third party apps to maintain parity (hint, a lot of games don't use or don't touch them at all).

I kick the casual people that decide they would rather watch Netflix then pay attention to my DF run. Don't multi-task if you can't do it correctly.

I don't think you are much better. If you are on primal, give me a shout and we can run stuff to see. I don't have logs up because i am on ps4, and i am opposed to them in concept so I won't ask people to do it. But anyone who wants to test me can come in and say hi or set up a pf; in game i am less fiery than here, because in game people don't tend to insult me.

[Sigma-Astra]

I don't like people calling others embarassments because they think they are more skilled. TBH raiding in this game is not done not because its too hard, but because it's not fun. There are a lot of skilled players outside the raid culture that simply don't bother with raiding because of that; people who don't want to commit to a static, people who think leaderboards are stupid, people who dislike the need for third party apps to maintain parity (hint, a lot of games don't use or don't touch them at all).

You saying that raiding isn't done because it's not fun is entirely subjective, especially since you even don't raid.

You should really stop projecting your feelings as facts. They're not.

You've lost the argument, you have no points. Stop.

[Dualgunner]

I don't like people calling others embarassments because they think they are more skilled. TBH raiding in this game is not done not because its too hard, but because it's not fun. There are a lot of skilled players outside the raid culture that simply don't bother with raiding because of that; people who don't want to commit to a static, people who think leaderboards are stupid, people who dislike the need for third party apps to maintain parity (hint, a lot of games don't use or don't touch them at all).

Are you your posts now? She said your post was embarrassing, and then pointed out a specific line she thought was especially embarrassing.

Also there you go again, Grand Arbiter of Fun. When will you cease that rhetoric that raiding isn't fun, and accept that maybe people find it fun even when you don't?

[Sigma-Astra]

I don't think you are much better. If you are on primal, give me a shout and we can run stuff to see. I don't have logs up because i am on ps4, and i am opposed to them in concept so I won't ask people to do it. But anyone who wants to test me can come in and say hi or set up a pf; in game i am less fiery than here, because in game people don't tend to insult me.

What's your point with that? I play on PS4 and have logs myself. My logs are there to prove that I am somewhat, not perfect mind you, but somewhat better and more capable than the average casual player. You're welcome to look at my logs for the casual content we both play.

I know my job well enough and I'm entitled towards mistakes, as we all are, my numbers reflect that. I don't understand why we're trying to turn this into a contest now.

Also, I wouldn't have called you spiteful, naive, or immature if you didn't just outright insult the entire raiding community. You threw the first stone inside a glass house. Remember that.

[Legion88]

I don't like people calling others embarassments because they think they are more skilled.

raiders are just people who bang their heads against single fights for weeks to months, a lot of you are even LESS skilled than casual players

It seems you don't like yourself.
It also seems that here are people talking about things they don't know, didn't experience or didn't try and are full of bias.


If you like it or not, i did raiding myself and i wasn't very good, but i beat 80% of players i met in content outside of Ex or Savage with my performance. The others were all raiders, marked by their equipment.

[RiyahArp]

You saying that raiding isn't done because it's not fun is entirely subjective, especially since you even don't raid.

Most people in this game don't raid. You can see this by clear rates, pug advertisements, and by how many members in an FC raid to the total amount.
People who don't raid generally know why they don't raid.
It boils down to fun, since this raid system to its credit, doesn't put a tremendous amount of timesinks before you get to raiding. It doesn't need you to spend 6 hours in sky getting a pop item for a 30 min fight. In FFXI, a lot of people didnt raid due to time burden.
When i was talking, it was in the context of people who don't raid. Not people who do.

I know my job well enough and I'm entitled towards mistakes, as we all are, my numbers reflect. I don't understand why we're trying to turn this into a contest now.

I think if we're playing the "i'm skilled" card to denigrate others, I should offer the chance to prove it. I have to back up my words that I think casuals can be as skilled as raiders, so I need to offer it. So I'm giving the chance to be kicked, in other words. I said something out there, so I need to prove it, and the content isn't fun enough for me to do so on my own initiative. Well, that and someone else refereeing probably would be best, i don't think we have a "link achievements" in this game.

Unfortunately i am not on aether or i would do so with dual, bourne, etc. But anyone on primal. I'm sorry for heated rhetoric, but I don't like people calling others embarassments, and i'm happy to prove that even as a casual, i can understand and do raids just as good as the lot of you. Hmm. The only issue is i don't want to beat it because it makes me look like i want a carry; i had one issue with someone inviting me for the first time on a raid when they all had it on farm and i had never stepped inside of it.

[Sigma-Astra]

Most people in this game don't raid. You can see this by clear rates, pug advertisements, and by how many members in an FC raid to the total amount.
People who don't raid generally know why they don't raid.
It boils down to fun, since this raid system to its credit, doesn't put a tremendous amount of timesinks before you get to raiding. It doesn't need you to spend 6 hours in sky getting a pop item for a 30 min fight. In FFXI, a lot of people didnt raid due to time burden.
When i was talking, it was in the context of people who don't raid. Not people who do.

It doesn't matter. You cannot speak for anyone. You're not their spokesperson and what you find fun is entirely subjective as is my opinion. But, you cannot speak for others with a 100% certainty unless you have personally spoken to every single player within this game from all three regions.

[Legion88]

Most people in this game don't raid. You can see this by clear rates, pug advertisements, and by how many members in an FC raid to the total amount.
People who don't raid generally know why they don't raid.
It boils down to fun, since this raid system to its credit, doesn't put a tremendous amount of timesinks before you get to raiding. It doesn't need you to spend 6 hours in sky getting a pop item for a 30 min fight. In FFXI, a lot of people didnt raid due to time burden.
When i was talking, it was in the context of people who don't raid. Not people who do.

Most people i talked to who don't raid, do so because they feel it isn't rewarding. 6 month and all gear is worthless and you can get the same ilvl just by grinding your weeklies.
Fun is one of the lesser reasons for people to not raid.
And even if it wouldn't be fun, for the right rewards most would porbably do it then but not with the current gear progression.