We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[RiyahArp]

Layla Bell outright said "Anyone who cares about those i280 weapons is an idiot.".

No, at that time you were doing relics just to do something, and anyone who seriously did them really didn't need them or care about BiS. If i remember some of the relics even weren't BiS anyways; they were subject to the same weird stat pool SE lieks to give casual gear. The raiders who complained weren't the world first crew, but the people who wanted to prog or try it and were worried about it acting as a barrier, because you know if it had mattered elysium would have gone out and farmed them up stat. The reason why those raiders set that was that they realized the percent chance of getting those weapons were so low that they didn't act as any barrier at all.

I mean, i have about 7 completed HW relics, and the value of them was something you could work for solo at your own pace which looked really cool. Diadem if anything didn't even have the look cool part, all the random pieces were basic 30ish armor in appearance if i remembr right.

[Dualgunner]

You customized your own stats on the relic weapons, giving you the advantage to fine tune them to be your best possible stats. That's what made the relic BiS before the diadem weapon came out.

Also I noticed you dodged the point. There was no race for anybody to care about at that point. The 280 weapon was an expac ending weapon, it would be outdated before the next relevant raid content came out.

That wasn't true. The complaints were from raiders annoyed that they needed to do a heavy RNG grind for a BiS weapon, to prepare for the next progression race, and raiders annoyed it had better stats than savage gear.

The raiders who complained weren't the world first crew, but the people who wanted to prog or try it and were worried about it acting as a barrier, because you know if it had mattered elysium would have gone out and farmed them up stat.

So which was it? World firsters who care about "the next progression race" or not?

[Mahrze]

If i remember some of the relics even weren't BiS anyways; they were subject to the same weird stat pool SE lieks to give casual gear.

Relics are not BiS when the two main stats were custom made? Are you sure?!

[RiyahArp]

You customized your own stats on the relic weapons, giving you the advantage to fine tune them to be your best possible stats. That's what made the relic BiS before the diadem weapon came out.

Look noone cared about BiS then, because the only place where BiS matters is in Savage. Most people who did the relic grind did it for fun or something to do as a long term progression goal, because BiS in this game is 100% useless; if you can obtain the pieces, you've beaten everything in the game already and don't need it for anything. And it wasn't just weapons, you could get randomized armor pieces with the same stats in the very first iteration of diadem if i remember right. That was the world prog issue.The weapons invalidated the savage gear much more than the relic, because any random 24 man could get one piece that was better than anything someone did savage for; but every new tier of savage invalidated the relic, and no one really assumed the relic took skill.

[Dualgunner]

Look noone cared about BiS then, because the only place where BiS matters is in Savage. Most people who did the relic grind did it for fun or something to do as a long term progression goal, because BiS in this game is 100% useless; if you can obtain the pieces, you've beaten everything in the game already and don't need it for anything. And it wasn't just weapons, you could get randomized armor pieces with the same stats in the very first iteration of diadem if i remember right. That was the world prog issue.The weapons invalidated the savage gear much more than the relic, because any random 24 man could get one piece that was better than anything someone did savage for; but every new tier of savage invalidated the relic, and no one really assumed the relic took skill.

We're going to go in circles all day with your revisionist history.

People who raided savage didn't care about the 280 weapon. Most had already finished and speedran the content to death by then, and didn't need or want a 280 weapon. People who built the relic because they were playing the long game for the best weapon till expac's end were disappointed when their weapon was outdated 9 days after its release (thank you Cass for providing actual day count there).

Creator Savage released on September 27, 2016.

Diadem 2.0 came out in March 8, 2017. That's 5 months, 4 days; a little under the regular life cycle of a raid tier.

[Sigma-Astra]

Relics are not BiS when the two main stats were custom made? Are you sure?!

I was so sad when my Anima relic was no longer good enough, lol....

MY SPELLSPEEEEEEED~!

[Sigma-Astra]

because BiS in this game is 100% useless;

I literally could not read past this one line. Here, we have a person who does not raid yet feels that they're knowledgeable enough somehow to tell others that do raid what is or isn't considered BiS. Riyah, stop, please. That whole post was embarrassing, but THIS one line is really bad.

[RiyahArp]

People who raided savage didn't care about the 280 weapon. Most had already finished and speedran the content to death by then, and didn't need or want a 280 weapon. People who built the relic because they were playing the long game for the best weapon till expac's end were disappointed when their weapon was outdated 9 days after its release (thank you Cass for providing actual day count there).

The weapon had been outdated multiple times in its lifecycle. Many people don't even bother doing it while its even useful; its filler content designed to give people something to do, which is why people still grind them now, and why people grind more than one HW relic despite the time it took. The customizing stats was a hold over from the previous relic, not so much because people clamored to do so; when SE removed the ability to do so (because anemos relics have stat caps like ornate gear) and made the ilvl worse than tome weapons, there wan't this huge OMG relic is no longer BIS!

If BiS mattered everyone would be raging hard over pagos, since it won't even be usable by the time many people get it done it seems. Relic players really don't care about bis that much, or they'd do savage,

[RiyahArp]

I literally could not read past this one line. Here, we have a person who does not raid yet feels that they're knowledgeable enough somehow to tell others that do raid what is or isn't considered BiS. Riyah, stop, please. That whole post was embarrassing, but THIS one line is really bad.

name one thing you need bis to clear.

Name one thing bis gear with savage pieces lets you do that you can't do in the game already. By the time you get all the pieces, you have cleared everything worth clearing, and nothing is tuned so tightly that you need bis to beat it, not even ultimate or it would be 100% impossible to sell runs.

And no offense, raiders are just people who bang their heads against single fights for weeks to months, a lot of you are even LESS skilled than casual players because we dont need parsers, zoomhacks or act triggers to play a videogame.

[Dualgunner]

The weapon had been outdated multiple times in its lifecycle.

Yet the precedent at that point was that the relic weapon would be the best weapon of the expansion in the end, beating out the final raid tier weapon. A precedent set by the Zodiac Braves weapon line.

Many people don't even bother doing it while its even useful; its filler content designed to give people something to do, which is why people still grind them now, and why people grind more than one HW relic despite the time it took. The customizing stats was a hold over from the previous relic, not so much because people clamored to do so; when SE removed the ability to do so (because anemos relics have stat caps like ornate gear) and made the ilvl worse than tome weapons, there wan't this huge OMG relic is no longer BIS!

Yes, there was. You can keep acting like there wasn't, but there was definitely more outcry from relic grinders than there was from raiders.

If BiS mattered everyone would be raging hard over pagos, since it won't even be usable by the time many people get it done it seems.

I don't know if you read the FFXIV Official Forums a lot. It's a neat place. There were maybe ten or twenty threads raging about Pagos for various reasons, and among them was this very one.

name one thing you need bis to clear.

Name one thing bis gear with savage pieces lets you do that you can't do in the game already. By the time you get all the pieces, you have cleared everything worth clearing, and nothing is tuned so tightly that you need bis to beat it, not even ultimate or it would be 100% impossible to sell runs.

You don't have to need BiS to want it. Or are you above desire too, oh elite Riyah on high?

And no offense, raiders are just people who bang their heads against single fights for weeks to months, a lot of you are even LESS skilled than casual players because we dont need parsers, zoomhacks or act triggers to play a videogame.

I'm just gonna keep this quote here. The words of the Great Holy Riyah Arpeggio deserve to be enshrined and gilded. I'll just go back to my lolfflogs, that's my content, right?

EDIT: In case you forgot

You have lolfflogs, thats your content. Go focus on padding your runs.

Raiders are the toxic ones.