We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Mahrze]

You're right 15 min is probably synced with duty finder. Unsynced solo probably around 6-7 minutes... so about 25 hours to get the same gear as players who cleared savage? Does anyone really think this would be a good idea??

Can't even math. /s

So you want Eureka reward to be equal to Savage raid if the time invested is equal, but you don't want Sestasha reward to be equal to Eureka if the time invested is equal? Why is that? You can't have it both ways lol.

The crux of your argument is that 50 hrs via DF+sync is a fair grind(see zodiac items grind), adding the carrying of noobs. 50 hrs unsync is easy for a whole 'Anemos' set just like you can farm savage after nerfs and echo land on it; you can accuse them of "having it both ways" as much as you can be accused of cherry-picking.

[Seddrinth]

Can't even math.

Let me help you relax a bit. We can have a discussion without resorting to insults.

The crux of your argument is that 50 hrs via DF+sync is a fair grind(see zodiac items grind), adding the carrying of noobs. 50 hrs unsync is easy for a whole 'Anemos' set just like you can farm savage after nerfs and echo land on it; you can accuse them of "having it both ways" as much as you can be accused of cherry-picking.

It was not my argument originally. It was the OP's argument that time spent in an activity should count toward the reward level regardless of difficulty. He wanted the rewards for Eureka to be the same as Savage raids if the time spend is the same. If that's what he wanted, then someone else doing fates or sastasha or whatever other low difficulty activity should be rewarded at the same level as his Eureka as long as the time invested is equal right? How is that cherry picking? If you want this type of reasoning for rewards then you should apply it evenly to all activities.

[Mahrze]

Let me help you relax a bit. We can have a discussion without resorting to insults.

I doubt that counts as an insult but ok. You do you.

It was not my argument originally. It was the OP's argument that time spent in an activity should count toward the reward level regardless of difficulty. He wanted the rewards for Eureka to be the same as Savage raids if the time spend is the same. If that's what he wanted, then someone else doing fates or sastasha or whatever other low difficulty activity should be rewarded at the same level as his Eureka as long as the time invested is equal right? How is that cherry picking? If you want this type of reasoning for rewards then you should apply it evenly to all activities.

And it is, hence why I point it out how your cherry picking on the time investment became moot if we're comparing unsync in time. Since savage becomes cake for those that farm it as soon as nerfs and echo drop. You're standing by how its the best rewards because its the hardest content and by comparison, 50 hrs per relic is still considerably comparable in terms of time invested. If you take longer to achieve the reward in savage then its a different story, after all, its a reward for doing the hardest content and as such only the ones who clear it deserve it.

[Seddrinth]

And it is, hence why I point it out how your cherry picking on the time investment became moot if we're comparing unsync in time. Since savage becomes cake for those that farm it as soon as nerfs and echo drop. You're standing by how its the best rewards because its the hardest content and by comparison, 50 hrs per relic is still considerably comparable in terms of time invested.

5s-8s has not been nerfed and there are no echo for this content. The OP wants Eureka to give the same gear as 5s-8s. If you are trying to argue that old savage content that has been nerfed and echoed should give the same gear as Eureka then that's fine but I don't think the OP would be happy that his Eureka 355/350 is now nerfed to Deltascape 340 ilevel. Maybe you are confused as to what we are discussing but savage content actually takes a level of skill to clear that most players in the game lack. Eureka is mindless grind. How does it make any sense that both should reward the same level items? Might as well just give everyone BiS and not have any content. Let's all just sit around Kugane and afk or admire each other's BiS gear.

If you take longer to achieve the reward in savage then its a different story, after all, its a reward for doing the hardest content and as such only the ones who clear it deserve it.

Why does it matter how long it takes for someone to clear savage? Whether a great player who clears it day 1 or a mediocre player who clears it after 2 months of prog, if you clear the content you get the reward. This system is merit based.

[Magic-Mal]

OP this, OP that

I know I'm late but can you stop referring to that person(ElazulHP) as the OP? Or can you stop confusing me for ElazulHP? I never said anything you're claiming I said. It was THEM, not me. I don't understand how you haven't gotten that right.

Or are you confusing me with Edax? Because I'm not Edax either. I'm neither of them! I'm Mal, the one with coal skin.