We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Apparently not since previous posters have pointed out that gear doesn't truly matter and the real worth of a player is skill. The reward for raiding could be as simple as getting a shiny new achievement checked off in the log and people would still do it. And it would a paradox if raiders needed the end raid reward to beat the raid. That raid gear is only in effect a participation ribbon, so it's purely superfluous.

And you've prattled on for several pages now lamenting how you can't have it. If it's little beyond a participation ribbon, why do you care so much that raiders have better gear then you do?

[Edax]

And you've prattled on for several pages now lamenting how you can't have it. If it's little beyond a participation ribbon, why do you care so much that raiders have better gear then you do?

I do not care that someone has better gear than me. But it is rather irritating that I'm being condescended to and insulted by both players that say raiders NEED the best gear and players that say the good gear isn't necessary.

[Dualgunner]

I do not care that someone has better gear than me. But it is rather irritating that I'm being condescended to and insulted by both players that say raiders NEED the best gear and players that say the good gear isn't necessary.

Raiders want the gear enough to do the harder content to get it. But you're right, any raider saying they *need* the gear could probably do to sharpen up their rotation a bit, and research some fight optimization.

[Alien_Gamer]

I do not care that someone has better gear than me. But it is rather irritating that I'm being condescended to and insulted by both players that say raiders NEED the best gear and players that say the good gear isn't necessary.

And if thats all you pay attention to and not read the context of said statements then yes you'll always be irritated about whats said.

In any content thats not some form of light/full party raid and level synced, gear doesn't really matter. Basic dungeon gear or crafted is more than sufficient to do all of that content.

Savage raids and Ultimate are the only areas of the game where specific pieces of gear matter and thats why people say raiders need that gear. They're the ones its designed for, literally. If you don't do savage and ultimate, you don't need the best gear.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I do not care that someone has better gear than me. But it is rather irritating that I'm being condescended to and insulted by both players that say raiders NEED the best gear and players that say the good gear isn't necessary.

If that is your interpretation of my posts, you ought to read them again. Nowhere have I said the gear is needed. It isn't. You argued i370 gear should be available in other content like Eureka, to which I argued against because Savage asks significantly more in terms of attention and skill. Bluntly stated, I could bot through Eureka. I couldn't through Savage. If you want the best gear, you should have to complete the hardest content. Or wait four months and collect tokens every week to upgrade your tome gear.

On the other hand, if you have no interest in Savage, then yes, the gear is entirely unnecessary since it's overkill for casual content.

[Edax]

If that is your interpretation of my posts, you ought to read them again. Nowhere have I said the gear is needed. It isn't. You argued i370 gear should be available in other content like Eureka, to which I argued against because Savage asks significantly more in terms of attention and skill.

On the other hand, if you have no interest in Savage, then yes, the gear is entirely unnecessary since it's overkill for casual content.

No I was referring to different players with contradictory viewpoints telling me I don't understand the bare basics of MMORPGs.

I can't help but think that we just opened the eyes of someone about what PvE combat centric MMORPGs are about.

Tbh I can't believe we are 32 pages in and this person still doesn't understand why raiders get the gear we do.

To you Bourne_Endeavor, you have misinterpreted my posts. I am a casual player but I always seek to improve my character but I'm not a min/maxer. The problem is that despite the limited amount of time I play this game and despite my laidback style, I'm constantly hitting a limit. When I'm leveling through the game for the first time, I have so many different methods of leveling my character and getting better armor, via quests, crafting, duties, Palace of the Dead and hunts. Endgame, the methods of self-improvement shrink so dramatically, it's either tomes or raids. I buy a piece of gear with the tomes and I've effectively maxed out that gear piece (for half a year?) since I do not raid regularly. Because of that, I hardly have cause to actually play my combat class for weeks until I start forgetting where the hotkeys are and what the best rotations are. Eureka was a good way to solve this even if it was accidental, offering a method of improvement that was not the most difficult content or the most grindy but it kept me busy for months improving my character and more importantly playing my classes. But with Pagos designed to be frustrating and not offering gear beyond a relic, I've once again hit that wall where my combat classes aren't doing anything. If the crafting system were more developed, or the tomes more developed with an extra tier, I'd still have something to do.
The core problem: not enough endgame content.

To those that say raiders need the best gear, remember that's not fact, that's opinion. Other games just offer "Achievement Unlocked" when you do hard content. Many games don't bother giving you the best weapons and armor for tackling the hardest content, in fact many games remove the best gear and weapons specifically for that challenge. If you like or want raiders to get the best gear, that fine, but just remember that's an opinion and resorting to personal insults and name-calling like Lorgana has done, such as calling me a liar and a troll, just tells me they're not confident in their own opinions.

[OurMom]

To those that say raiders need the best gear, remember that's not fact, that's opinion. Other games just offer "Achievement Unlocked" when you do hard content. Many games don't bother giving you the best weapons and armor for tackling the hardest content, in fact many games remove the best gear and weapons specifically for that challenge.

May I ask what mmos? I've played almost everyone out for the past 10+ years and most of the ones I played gave you the best gear in game from doing the hardest content in said game. The few that didn't give you the best gear from raiding, had horizontal progression and you could get gear on par from crafting, but it was super hard to craft it. And still even in those games I believe the hardest world bosses dropped better items.

I've once again hit that wall where my combat classes aren't doing anything.

That's the problem with super casual/vertical progression games and honestly, even if Yoshi were to try and change that people would just complain that they don't have enough time. Or that it's too hard and "not fair" that people that can dedicate time can complete it or some other non sense.

It's best just to play this game in small bursts honestly until the general playerbase gets over it and realize that people that work harder will have better items.

[Edax]

May I ask what mmos? I've played almost everyone out for the past 10+ years and most of the ones I played gave you the best gear in game from doing the hardest content in said game. The few that didn't give you the best gear from raiding, had horizontal progression and you could get gear on par from crafting, but it was super hard to craft it. And still even in those games I believe the hardest world bosses dropped better items.




That's the problem with super casual/vertical progression games and honestly, even if Yoshi were to try and change that people would just complain that they don't have enough time. Or that it's too hard and "not fair" that people that can dedicate time can complete it or some other non sense.

It's best just to play this game in small bursts honestly until the general playerbase gets over it and realize that people that work harder will have better items.

It wasn't other MMOs, but other games. Maybe Eve Online is the only MMO that I've played where it didn't offer the best rewards from the hard content? That game has had it's PVE content totally subverted by the PVP players.

They say it's best to play in small bursts, but since I don't want to lose my house in Shirogane to auto-demolition so I make sure to garden in both my house and my FC's house. The result is that I play everyday, but only a little bit. Cycle the retainers, water the crops, and do the Namazu quests before heading back to my house to afk to cycle the retainers a few more times. If game stops being a part of my routine and I often forget about it for months so I know I'll lose my precious house if I do that.

[OurMom]

It wasn't other MMOs, but other games.

Other games do not operate the same as mmorpgs. So how they do things do don't always work in the mmo world.

[Seddrinth]

I do not care that someone has better gear than me. But it is rather irritating that I'm being condescended to and insulted by both players that say raiders NEED the best gear and players that say the good gear isn't necessary.

Players that complete the hardest content deserve the best rewards. Players that cannot complete the hardest content do not deserve the same rewards. It's as simple as that. If you want a game where everyone gets top rewards, maybe look for a P2W game where you can use your credit card and purchase top gear and not have to earn anything in game.