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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    But my point also goes over your head, if your money is being used to develop those features then you're paying for them, they aren't offering them for free, they are offering them as part of your sub. When you pay for something you're paying for everything included in that something.
    You are also paying to develop ilvl 375 weapons. But SE isn't obliged to give them to you just because of that. You still have to Savage Sigmascape for them. You paid for the development of the Centurio Tiger but you still need to do 2000 hunts for it. You paid for the Magitek Conveyor to be created and yet you still need to rank in the top 100 for Feast.

    The game is a package deal. You pay for everything, not just the content you choose to opt into. And you know what? Plenty of people without houses paid to develop and host your house, too.

    And yes, the wild claims about demo-timer being there to force subs is a conspiracy theory thrown around by crackpots. The length of "content droughts" has no bearing on the topic of housing. The term itself is questionable as there is plenty of content in the game to keep people busy between content patches... if they choose to opt into it. Just because there is nothing you want to do, doesn't mean there is nothing to do.

    Someone not playing for 45 days might not have abandoned the game. Someone not playing for 6 months might not have abandoned the game either. Or a year even. Where do you draw an arbitrary line like that? What's the hard cutoff for when people will never come back? To me, 45 days seems reasonable. Others disagree, as is their right. But it doesn't mean it's a conspiracy on SE's part. The demo timer is there to try to keep houses in the hands of people who will use them. Nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymm View Post
    You are also paying to develop ilvl 375 weapons. But SE isn't obliged to give them to you just because of that. You still have to Savage Sigmascape for them. You paid for the development of the Centurio Tiger but you still need to do 2000 hunts for it. You paid for the Magitek Conveyor to be created and yet you still need to rank in the top 100 for Feast.

    The game is a package deal. You pay for everything, not just the content you choose to opt into. And you know what? Plenty of people without houses paid to develop and host your house, too.

    And yes, the wild claims about demo-timer being there to force subs is a conspiracy theory thrown around by crackpots. The length of "content droughts" has no bearing on the topic of housing. The term itself is questionable as there is plenty of content in the game to keep people busy between content patches... if they choose to opt into it. Just because there is nothing you want to do, doesn't mean there is nothing to do.

    Someone not playing for 45 days might not have abandoned the game. Someone not playing for 6 months might not have abandoned the game either. Or a year even. Where do you draw an arbitrary line like that? What's the hard cutoff for when people will never come back? To me, 45 days seems reasonable. Others disagree, as is their right. But it doesn't mean it's a conspiracy on SE's part. The demo timer is there to try to keep houses in the hands of people who will use them. Nothing more.
    But where am I asking for them to just give me a house? This is about keeping a house you already have, not about obtaining a new one, that's a whole different topic. Yeah to get a house you have to play the game and pay gil for it, just like you have to play the game and clear a raid to get gear, but your argument is that if you loot dragoon pants from sigma and you don't use them for 45 days it's okay for SE to delete them. Imagine if you started losing experience on any job you don't play for more than 45 days.

    Yes everybody, even those without a house paid for the housing system, what does that have to do with anything? If they are unable to get a house then the solution is more wards (well, the real solution is instanced housing, but that's not gonna happen), not removing houses from other paying customers.

    It's fine that new patches are providing you with enough content for almost 4 months, but your situation is not the same as everyone else's, otherwise Yoshida himself wouldn't have told people to take a break and come back for a new patch, if he went on to give that a special mention it means this sentiment is more widespread than you think.

    On the line, the line I'm proposing to be drawn is at the point where you're actively paying for the game, big difference between someone gone for 2-3 months without paying and someone gone for 2-3 months still supporting the servers that keep the houses up.
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