White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Jojoya]

I like how people are saying it doesn't matter, they're just earrings, no one notices them anyway.

Surely if they're not valuable for their looks, and they're not valuable for their stats, then the only value they have is as a rare memento for 1.0 players who did the fight?

Doesn't feel like anyone benefits from this, upsetting some old 1.0 players in exchange for something the overwhelming majority of 2.0 players didn't know existed, didn't care about and most likely will never use.

And yet there were enough players asking for these and similar items from 1.x to be added to the current game that SE is choosing to do it. Only SE knows which number is greater: the players asking for the item to be added or those still playing who had earned it back in 1.0. Considering the items are being added, I suspect the latter is the smaller group.

As someone else said earlier in the thread, people need to stop clinging to items as a source of validation and start getting their validation from what they accomplish.

Are the items a memento of what was achieved? Sure. My Lifebinder's Handmaiden in WoW reminds me that I was part of one of the only three raid teams on my little RP server to clear Heroic Dragon Soul before the MoP pre-launch patch was released.

That achievement can't be taken away from me. Someone else who outlevels and outgears the content can faceroll their way through all the Heroic Dragon Soul bosses tomorrow and get the mount, and it still doesn't change what I accomplished over 6 years ago. I'm happy they're able to get something they want to have. Their access to the mount now doesn't invalidate what I had already done.

Things don't mean anything in the long run. Things are too easily replaced or lost or destroyed. It's what you do that's important.

Congrats to those who killed Nael before Dalamud fell. No one can take that accomplishment away from you.

But throwing a temper tantrum because someone else gets to have a copy of a now useless pair of earrings that you already have? That's just stupid.

[Stormfur]

So maybe, based on the information about the event and level sync, the real pinnacle fight will be a similar one to 1.0. That would be nice, since it would let us experience something similar and get a similar reward. That would invalidate a lot of the complaining of "they're giving away muh earrings for FREEEEEEE"

No doubt the 1.0 purists will still be upset because "it's not 100% exactly like the 1.0 fight, therefore you didn't earn it." With the exception of ultimate, everything in this game is made easier and more attainable over time. That's just the way it works. You can think other players didn't "earn it", all you want, but I promise you, they don't care one shred about your feelings toward them.

In all honesty, we should really be thankful that we HAVE a game with five years of strong history to look back fondly upon!

[Vaer]

And yet there were enough players asking for these and similar items from 1.x to be added to the current game that SE is choosing to do it. Only SE knows which number is greater: the players asking for the item to be added or those still playing who had earned it back in 1.0. Considering the items are being added, I suspect the latter is the smaller group.

As someone else said earlier in the thread, people need to stop clinging to items as a source of validation and start getting their validation from what they accomplish.

Are the items a memento of what was achieved? Sure. My Lifebinder's Handmaiden in WoW reminds me that I was part of one of the only three raid teams on my little RP server to clear Heroic Dragon Soul before the MoP pre-launch patch was released.

That achievement can't be taken away from me. Someone else who outlevels and outgears the content can faceroll their way through all the Heroic Dragon Soul bosses tomorrow and get the mount, and it still doesn't change what I accomplished over 6 years ago. I'm happy they're able to get something they want to have. Their access to the mount now doesn't invalidate what I had already done.

Things don't mean anything in the long run. Things are too easily replaced or lost or destroyed. It's what you do that's important.

Congrats to those who killed Nael before Dalamud fell. No one can take that accomplishment away from you.

But throwing a temper tantrum because someone else gets to have a copy of a now useless pair of earrings that you already have? That's just stupid.

I'd actually say Blizz actually does things way more properly. They have AoTC and things like Legendary Cloak/Ring/Grove Warden/Violet Spellwing, feats for realm first, etc that have timestamps that they don't give away after the fact. Not that they're perfect, I'm sure some things have slipped through (Black Market). Some of this stuff is sold, but so were these earrings on my server at least.

You would have an achievement with a timestamp when you couldn't faceroll Dragon Soul, someone who does it now would have the date now, which you can differentiate easily by linking.

Sure, it doesn't matter since it's a game, etc. Some people just have sentimental value in items and stuff like that, even in RL.

Looking at the JP thread, mostly the same agreement/disagreements as here.

[24spencer]

didn't have any interest in these before but i'll be sure to glamor then onto everything now for the free outrage

[Kaurhz]

I already linked to the posts from the team themselves why its a problem on page 19. This is what they were telling players that were currently paying a subscription. Get these items if you want them because they're not coming back. They already bent the rules with the Laurel Goobbue. Now they're just outright breaking their word. I wouldn't be surprised if it did end up on the store after either.

No, I didn't get the earrings because I mostly played Miner when I was on and shifted back to whatever else I was doing because you couldn't play for more than an hour before hitting forced failures. I'm also not envious someone else did. I wanted a large house which took until Shirogane to get.

Granted that is the case and a promise was broken, and as you have mentioned yourself it was a means of enticing loyal customers/subscribers back into playing the game (or someone else did). It is a business after all. Not to mention a lot changes over a 6 year period(Don't even bother bringing up the auto-demolition of housing that was an inevitability, many quit the game, and some often permanently, and you'd expect them to keep a house when it's a limited resource) .

I may/not need to state this directly to you, but broken promises aside (from 6 years ago), why not withhold any unnecessary judgement you may have on their decision (to use the earrings over something original and still commemorative like a Wind-up Nael, or a Dalamud mount), until the event itself is live and we've experienced it. It could be something special that still recognises the achievements of those that supported the game and experienced the fight.

I'm not going to argue whether they should call it a replica or not because all that will happen after the near-distant passing of this event is people, including many 1.0 folk will do what they done before, long before the event, is stick it in a retainer and then just use it for the sake of complaint when the time comes. Those people in my onion lose the right to complain as they're doing it for the sake of it. Granted there are people I'm sure that have used this as glamour as it's that special to them, but those I'm fairly certain I can count using 1 hand.

The latter I wasn't even going to question as I understand that side of the argument, people did lose sleep over it, I'm sure, but those are the people when this is all said and done will have experienced the fight in it's true glory, and those will still be the only people that can tell that story. I can't, nor can any peers entering in 2.x and beyond.

Again, If it ends up on the store, or if other non-commemorative items like the tattoo find itself in the mainstream, or on the Mogstation, then sure there's something wrong with that

[Tsalmaveth]

square enix just humiliated the legacy players

good job Naoki Yoshida .... thank to you.

- a legacy player

No, no... I think you are doing that yourself. It has nothing to do with Yoshida-san at all.

Getting upset over RENTED PIXELS (you don't own them, learn to understand the TOS you agree to when you play the GAME) is highly amusing for grown adults. Really.

[Corue]

Barring some individuals, I doubt this is a case of legacy players being "entitled". This is a case of SE devaluing any kind of effort you want to put in this game.
This is saying to me: "Don't bother working towards anything since you'll just get it for free later on." Getting good gear only for it to mean nothing a couple months later is bad enough already, but if they're just going to give out a reward from a hard piece of content available only to people who stuck around during its last days for free, then what's off limits?
If they just made a duplicate of the item and stuck the name "replica" in front then I doubt that this kind of uproar would happen to begin with. Instead this was a conscious decision by the dev team to include this item. They were aware of what it took to get the reward but they put it in anyway.

It doesn't seem like the inclusion is having any kind of positive impact on the community. The reveal is only causing disagreements and "oh cool more ugly glamour i guess" to people who were unaware of the item.

Not to mention it's inspiring epic pranksters like this guy:

didn't have any interest in these before but i'll be sure to glamor then onto everything now for the free outrage

who only want to use it to start arguments. Is that what you're aiming for, SE?

I cannot wait until this inevitably goes up on Mogstation. Weren't around to complete hardcore endgame content? Experience the same reward for only $1.99!

[Tsalmaveth]

I value something because *I* value it. I worked hard to get it at the time. It has, then, value 'TO ME'. I don't need the game company to further assign value to it. I'm an adult able to do this and not need to lord these things over others to get through my life and be happy. I don't determine my worth and value by what I have over what others have. I'm thrilled and consider my Fenrir a trophy, even if the MGP was 'easier to get' than when Manderville was first released.

So. Releasing these Anniversary Earrings is going to 'devalue' the hard work and effort people put in to earn the old ones?

WHY?

The only reason: YOU.

The only reason any value is assigned to it in the end is you put it there. Pixels are pixels. A game is a game. Regardless of 'he said she said' it comes down to what value you place on a thing. And if you, personally, decide that other people having something now makes your thing 'not good anymore' that says something about you and how you value things. And that is not the responsibility of a company or other people. That is for you to deal with. No one can take away that you got to participate in the actual Calamity. Other people having an Anniversary Item, same name or not, doesn't effect that. If you somehow feel it does... that's an issue for you to deal with, not Yoshida, the developers, SE or anyone else on these Forums.

[Kaurhz]

If they just made a duplicate of the item and stuck the name "replica" in front then I doubt that this kind of uproar would happen to begin with. Instead this was a conscious decision by the dev team to include this item. They were

Because then people would still feel like special bunnies so it's ok, even though all they've done with the item since getting it is stuck it in a retainer and forgot about it until now, just for a means of causing outrage, or complaining. Calling it a replica or not doesn't change a thing if individual players do nothing with them

[Tooluka]

I think it is bad to desire to own every single item in the game, even exclusive rewards. I know some people have OCD about that and I'm also sometimes feel like that but really, we should restrain ourselves a little. Those were a reward, and not even regular reward but exceptionally rare reward to loyal players from 1.0 and simultaneously to the best at the time. It should stay rare, that was the point of it.

PS: I joined in 2.0 and have zero interest in this, but demands to give everyone everything are getting more and more ridiculous.