We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Edax]

Should also note that it really is a no brainer that the best gear is obviously going to be reserved for completion of the most challenging content. Whilst I do think there should be more variation in gear I don't think that people should get raid level gear without actually doing raid level content.

As for your point on letting raid gear be sold on the marketboard, again sort of removes part of the incentive to raid if just any shmoe could buy the gear plus it also would add additional temptations for people to give in to RMT.

In short if you want the best gear you have to do the content that drops it, if you're a person who thinks that it should just come to you without any real effort on your part then well....that's not really gonna happen.

And yet my armor rating remains the same while my gil piles ever higher. I think I have a right to complain that the way I play the game is not being rewarded properly since I'm not progressing in anyway. (I don't necessarily want raid level gear, but it would be nice if all that gil I earned could keep my progression going. As it is, I'm peaked with my Amenos gear, and gil can't improve that at the moment.)

So your saying that Raiders would stop raiding if they could get raid gear from the Marketboard? Are you sure those raiders are having fun?

[Dualgunner]

And yet my armor rating remains the same while my gil piles ever higher. I think I have a right to complain that the way I play the game is not being rewarded properly since I'm not progressing in anyway. (I don't necessarily want raid level gear, but it would be nice if all that gil I earned could keep my progression going. As it is, I'm peaked with my Amenos gear, and gil can't improve that at the moment.)

So your saying that Raiders would stop raiding if they could get raid gear from the Marketboard? Are you sure those raiders are having fun?

You have something better than progression gear; you have a headstart on making crafted gear come 4.4, which will from launch outdo everything that you can possibly get pre-4.4. You can be full i380 pentamelded the day that 4.4 drops, which is something that I, an Ultimate raider, cannot say.

[Edax]

You have something better than progression gear; you have a headstart on making crafted gear come 4.4, which will from launch outdo everything that you can possibly get pre-4.4. You can be full i380 pentamelded the day that 4.4 drops, which is something that I, an Ultimate raider, cannot say.

I guess that's something to look forward to. But since my armor rating has not changed in months, I feel like progression could do with some work. I don't feel the need to one-up anybody, but I would like to progress constantly while doing the things I love.

[Vaer]

And yet my armor rating remains the same while my gil piles ever higher. I think I have a right to complain that the way I play the game is not being rewarded properly since I'm not progressing in anyway. (I don't necessarily want raid level gear, but it would be nice if all that gil I earned could keep my progression going. As it is, I'm peaked with my Amenos gear, and gil can't improve that at the moment.)

So your saying that Raiders would stop raiding if they could get raid gear from the Marketboard? Are you sure those raiders are having fun?

You can use gil and uncapped tomes to get high quality 360 crafted gear though? It's not raid level, but some of it is better than Anemos.

Something like this:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...m/f34424c4973/

Click the HQ icon to see HQ stats. Normal quality crafted gear is bad.

[HyoMinPark]

And yet my armor rating remains the same while my gil piles ever higher. I think I have a right to complain that the way I play the game is not being rewarded properly since I'm not progressing in anyway.

Except non-raiders do get gear progression. It's just at a slower pace than raiders, but it ends up the same before the next tier drops, save for your weapon being five item levels lower.

Here's the gear progression from Sigmascape:
Patch 4.2 -
-Crafted i350 and Sigmascape Normal Mode (i350) [baseline; upgrade from previous tier's i340 cap]
-Byakko Ex weapons (i355) [5 ilvls above crafted]
-Unaugmented Mendacity gear (i360) [baseline]
-Augmented Mendacity gear (i370) [upgrades locked to Savage]
-Diamond Gear (i370) [Savage]
-Diamond weapons (i375) [Savage]

In Patch 4.26, Anemos gear was released, though it was still relatively weak compared to the options already available. (i350 gear and i355 weapons)

So nonraiders could progress from i340 to i360. Maybe even a little higher if they wanted to attempt Phantom Train for i370 accessories.

Patch 4.3:
-Augmented crafted gear (i360) [upgrade from i350]
-Ridorana gear (i360)
-Tsukuyomi Ex weapons (i365)
-Augmented Mendacity Gear (i370) [upgrade from i360 via 24-mans' tokens]

Nonraiders could now upgrade Mendacity gear from i360 to i370 save for their weapons. But they had the option of getting a weapon from Tsukuyomi Ex.

Patch 4.35 saw another i365 weapon (Heaven on High).
Patch 4.36 saw i370 Pagos weapons AND the weapon upgrade token for Mendacity weapons (i360 > i370) was available for purchase with the tokens from 24-mans.

So now, non-raiders can progress from their i360 to i370, and be at the same item level as Savage raiders.

When 4.4 drops, you'll be able to go from i370 to i380 with crafted gear and Alphascape normal mode drops. And the new tomestone gear will be i390. It will be slower compared to raiders, but by the end of 4.5, both groups will have the potential to be at the item level cap (i400). The only difference is the weapon and the stats on the gear. Which, if you don't care about optimization, the substats won't matter to you anyways.


Non-raiders have gear progression; it's just at a slower pace compared to raiders because raiders are doing harder content. In the end, however, everyone has the ability to end up at current level cap for a tier cycle with or without raiding. If you aren't upgrading/progressing your gear, that's on you.