White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[OurMom]

I don't get the obsession over having exclusive trophies. It's what you accomplished that means something, not what you got from doing it.

Someone else having the same item doesn't take away what you accomplished.

It kind of does and more people having something diminishes the value, hence rare things going for more/being more valuable. Some people don't see it as just something they accomplished but something they have that's also rare.

I didn't play 1.0 but I would be annoyed if I were in this situation, It's ok to keep some things exclusive.

[Zsolen]

Maybe they can give a housing trophy for those that have the achievement?

I wouldn't mind, but I think some would ask for the fight to be opened back up. Then people will complain that the fight was for a limited time only, so they will then get something else. They people will want a way to achieve that something else. And so on.

[Hestzhyen]

It isn't different at all. You can't honestly say that the people that subbed later would not be capable of such a feat. It wouldn't be all, but many could do it.

If not everyone is capable of doing it, why should they get the exact same reward as someone who can? If the fight was still available in it's super hard state then I don't think anyone would care as much about the rewards still being available through it. But this is just handing out Ultimate rewards to everyone because enough time has passed that the few people left who earned it aren't enough to deter SE any more.

If it's not an exact copy, like altering the text to make it clear that it's a "replica" or using a different color scheme for the Rising version, then I think a lot of this brouhaha would die down. There are precious few things that can be considered "badges of honor/skill" in this game- let the people who earned it keep it, give the rest of us a different version.

[Alsbet]

I really want these earrings. With the amount of aggro they are generating I won't ever have to switch to tank stance ever again.

[Zsolen]

If you say so. The creator of Yokai came back and wanted it back in because he wasn't able to finish the HQ mount IIRC. It's fine if you don't see value in things that others do.

If they pulled the minions from the first print merchandise and sold them on the mog station, people would probably be upset.
If they gave everyone a chance at the previous top 100 feast mounts, people would probably be upset.
If they pulled the emotes from the $100 statues and sold them for $8, people would probably be upset.

Pretty much the same thing. If they're going to say it's exclusive or implied exclusivity and then go back on their word it wouldn't surprise me to see people get annoyed.

Ah but now you have a much larger player population that has no access to even getting such an achievement or the item associated with it. It is not due to a lack of skill, although yes we both know there are many that cannot handle harder aspects of the game. Still, many are capable, but they have no avenue to prove it. This is why I would rather see the challenge reopened.

If they allowed the Lulu minion (the one limited time exclusive I have, along with the summoner outfit) to go on the MB and for a lower price, I would be very happy. Why? Because the people that I had to tell that they could not get one could then get one. People see me with the minion often. Its not because she is exclusive. She is my favorite character from FFX. I would rather more people be able to have it. I find the restrictions silly for that reason. It doesn't hurt me any, even if she was originally tied behind content. The nerf relics steps from the same expansion, so others can catch up. Does it degrade the relic steps I take before nerfs? Absolutely not.

[Zsolen]

If not everyone is capable of doing it, why should they get the exact same reward as someone who can? If the fight was still available in it's super hard state then I don't think anyone would care as much about the rewards still being available through it. But this is just handing out Ultimate rewards to everyone because enough time has passed that the few people left who earned it aren't enough to deter SE any more.

If it's not an exact copy, like altering the text to make it clear that it's a "replica" or using a different color scheme for the Rising version, then I think a lot of this brouhaha would die down. There are precious few things that can be considered "badges of honor/skill" in this game- let the people who earned it keep it, give the rest of us a different version.

People are complaining about the idea of people having a chance to prove themselves though.

[Enkidoh]

For those stating that SE should have made the event reward a 'replica' White Ravens instead of the real thing, players still would have complained, as they did exactly that when SE added the laurel gobbue mount ages ago, that it "invalidated the exclusiveness of the 1.0 gobbue" or something - never mind it wasn't the 1.0 gobbue at all it was the fact it was a gobbue period that triggered a section of 1.0 players (and made the rest of us look ungrateful). Hence even if they had made the White Ravens gained in this event a mere replica, there still would have been complaints.

So really, once again it shows that no matter what Yoshi does it will always be wrong, that players will never be satisfied, and that someone will be disappointed. Really the poor guy may as well just give up trying to appease us as he'll never win...

[Vaer]

Ah but now you have a much larger player population that has no access to even getting such an achievement or the item associated with it. It is not due to a lack of skill, although yes we both know there are many that cannot handle harder aspects of the game. Still, many are capable, but they have no avenue to prove it. This is why I would rather see the challenge reopened.

If they allowed the Lulu minion (the one limited time exclusive I have, along with the summoner outfit) to go on the MB and for a lower price, I would be very happy. Why? Because the people that I had to tell that they could not get one could then get one. People see me with the minion often. Its not because she is exclusive. She is my favorite character from FFX. I would rather more people be able to have it. I find the restrictions silly for that reason. It doesn't hurt me any, even if she was originally tied behind content. The nerf relics steps from the same expansion, so others can catch up. Does it degrade the relic steps I take before nerfs? Absolutely not.

That's kind of the point of a limited event though? If you don't do it you might not get a chance to.

I have a sneaking suspicion the FFX stuff is going on the mog station eventually since the mog suit from the 1st fanfest is already there. I think I remember seeing Yoshi say something about that at some point, I don't remember where. When they sold the first "exclusive" item on the mog station (which people didn't seem to like either since the advertisement said "exclusive" there was a thread on here when that happened), I took it as the ffx stuff is going to be on there eventually.

Relics aren't even the same thing.. they don't release and then say btw you have 3 months to do it before we delete it from the game.

[Zsolen]

3 Months is a long time. I thought it was much shorter than that.

It looks like SE made a mistake in making promises, likely thinking the game won't be where it is today. Now, you have people asking for older items not available to most players, including ones that have played for years and have helped make FFXIV much stronger. As a result, here we are in this mess. I'm not sure you agree with that, but it's how I see it.

I'm not saying relics are the same in terms of availability but that once nerfed, it is not the same exact content. If T9 is nerfed content, maybe we can have something better.

I was be very happy if they put FFX stuff on the Mog Station. I feel bad every time someone asks me.

[Hestzhyen]

For those stating that SE should have made the event reward a 'replica' White Ravens instead of the real thing, players still would have complained, as they did exactly that when SE added the laurel gobbue mount ages ago, that it "invalidated the exclusiveness of the 1.0 gobbue" or something - never mind it wasn't the 1.0 gobbue at all it was the fact it was a gobbue period that triggered a section of 1.0 players (and made the rest of us look ungrateful). Hence even if they had made the White Ravens gained in this event a mere replica, there still would have been complaints.

So really, once again it shows that no matter what Yoshi does it will always be wrong, that players will never be satisfied, and that someone will be disappointed. Really the poor guy may as well just give up trying to appease us as he'll never win...

Some players would probably complain yes, but at least I wouldn't feel guilty for getting the item. "You can't please everyone" is no reason to hand out one of the very few exclusive test of skill prizes in the game as a participation prize. Distinguishing between those who earned it and those who were present for The Rising 2018 would quell a lot of the unhappiness... and for those who won't be happy no matter what, well, at least you can prove you have the original.

People are complaining about the idea of people having a chance to prove themselves though.

Unless I'm grossly misunderstanding something (and I could be, I'm very tired), people are upset because a very rare and hard-to-earn item is being handed out as part of a 15 minute text quest chain. Not because of some hypothetical revival of the event that could give players who surpass the challenge the reward.