Its time to remove job-based glamour restrictions.

[Victoria_Silverdawn]

If the crafting AF was actually useful it would matter... but because everyone just uses the shared set... the crafting AF is a waste... I think they could make a craft able glamour versions of those sets, so we can use pieces we like. The Job AF stays with its own Job though. No reasons for a PLD to be dressed as a AST.

The GSM shoes from HW would look amazing with one of my WHM glamours. And there's other pieces we have wanted forever. The ALC skirt since 2.0.... there's no reason we can't glamour like this, it just how SE made the glamour system, and thanks to eureka we know they can make them usuable by all. They just have to add them, even in patches as filler would be nice.

[Niwashi]

If the crafting AF was actually useful it would matter... but because everyone just uses the shared set... the crafting AF is a waste.

That could almost have been valid (not sufficient, but a valid counterargument) before the glamour dresser was added. But now we can have the shared set glamoured as whichever class's AF we're on at the moment, so AF is finally getting more use.

For that matter, the same is true of the AF for combat jobs. It didn't get used much when it couldn't be glamoured to shared sets either, but we're seeing more of it around now, too.

[Victoria_Silverdawn]

That could almost have been valid (not sufficient, but a valid counterargument) before the glamour dresser was added. But now we can have the shared set glamoured as whichever class's AF we're on at the moment, so AF is finally getting more use.

That would be true... but not not everyone uses the glamour chest, as you can use the old glamour system. What you are talking about is a multiglamour system. Which allows each job set it's own look, except SE set up glamour so it's based off gear, not sets. What I am talking about is using some of those nice pieces of armour, and giving them a new use. Cause if they are reusing gear anyways, why not add nice ones.

And the way you just described how the chest works, is the same for battle jobs. Switch the AF to the job used.

But crafting AF has no use. Omni crafters use shared sets, and the AF crafting was outdated when it was added. Only use is people that have only a few crafts and the AF doesn't have the stats to make the 3 star HQ as easily.

Not to mention comparing crafting AF and battle job AF usefulness is like comparing oranges to apples. Battle sets are based off of job lore. There's no reason a PLD should wear the Astrologian gown, or a BLM wearing WHM robes.

Crafting sets, are just cool outfits that make you look like a worker in that trade.

If SE made the glamour chest right, we wouldn't have to worry about each jobs AF sets.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

If we're going to see jobs glamour restrctions removed, then I want to see Gender-based glamour restrictions removed aswell cause theres alot of nice outfits for females that can look good on guys and we already have the bunny bustier that breaks that gender norm. Females can already wear pretty masculine outfits and if SE is going to make all male summoners wear freaking skirts and expose their legs then why the hell not?

[Victoria_Silverdawn]

Now you are going into a whole other thing then asking for glamour restrictions removed. AF and all other gear is basically designed for both male and female. There's a few pieces that are female specific and if you are saying certain gear might look good on men, not everyone want to see a Roe in the thanarvian panties. And they look good because they are female specific. And if it's female or male specific, the quality is better.

Some gear is designed female specific, which means they designed it for female races. For then to make them fit males, they have to rework them as, you probably are aware... males are built differently... shocking I know.
They are having trouble making the race specific underwear available to everyone... which we have been asking for since 2.0

And using the bunny set as a example for them allowing female sets on men, allow me to list others they did female to male:
they did that for the spring dress... no one wears it...
you cry for the bunny set... no one wears it...

What specifically that women get that men can't?
From what I remember, there's a high house dress, which men got a counter part, thanarvian, which they eventually allowed women to wear the male one, the spring dress, the autumn dress, the fancy frilly one, which we now have a male counter part. The mob shop exclusives.

If they are going to waste time and resources, do it for things everyone can wear. That's less work taken away from other content, and we get things we all want. Not just 2% of the player base that wants the drag queen outfit set that they won't wear after one time.

They have been doing gender neutral things, like the hairstyles... they aren't that great, the latest one from HoH looks better on women, except for male cats... the quality of the hair isn't that great, because it has to fit every character model, not just male or female.

[Nixxe]

If we're going to see jobs glamour restrctions removed, then I want to see Gender-based glamour restrictions removed aswell cause theres alot of nice outfits for females that can look good on guys and we already have the bunny bustier that breaks that gender norm. Females can already wear pretty masculine outfits and if SE is going to make all male summoners wear freaking skirts and expose their legs then why the hell not?

Job locked items can just have the restriction removed and be good to go. Gender locked items have to have entirely new models created. It's not the same situation.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

Job locked items can just have the restriction removed and be good to go. Gender locked items have to have entirely new models created. It's not the same situation.

Obviously. That doesn't change my stance though.

[InkstainedGwyn]

That could almost have been valid (not sufficient, but a valid counterargument) before the glamour dresser was added. But now we can have the shared set glamoured as whichever class's AF we're on at the moment, so AF is finally getting more use.

For that matter, the same is true of the AF for combat jobs. It didn't get used much when it couldn't be glamoured to shared sets either, but we're seeing more of it around now, too.

Not enough glamour plates, not for omni-crafter/omni-gatherers. Double, triple my plate count and I might give in.

Even then, though, it's kind of ridiculous. Most of the job AFs are iconic, spanning games. The crafting/gathering AFs are just simply not in the same boat.

[Niwashi]

That would be true... but not not everyone uses the glamour chest, as you can use the old glamour system.

Sure, not everyone uses the chest, just as not everyone uses AF, and not everyone crafts. But all three of those are available.

Actually, since patch 4.3 removed the only downside to using the dresser, I doubt there are very many who don't use it, other than those who simply don't care about glamour. (And this whole topic is irrelevant to them in either direction.) The remaining issues with the dresser are just its limitations. Since you can only have 10 plates, you have to choose which classes or jobs you'll use them for, and not everyone will pick crafting. Many of us do pick crafting for it, however, particularly since that mostly avoids the dresser's other big limitation, that it can only be used in town or housing areas.

And the way you just described how the chest works, is the same for battle jobs. Switch the AF to the job used.

Exactly. I even said "the same is true of the AF for combat jobs." You're the one trying to convince people they're different when they aren't.

But crafting AF has no use. Omni crafters use shared sets, and the AF crafting was outdated when it was added. Only use is people that have only a few crafts and the AF doesn't have the stats to make the 3 star HQ as easily.

When we're talking about glamour, stats are irrelevant anyway. Crafting AF *as glamour* has a couple of very important uses, including the one that combat AF has. When I switch to leatherworker, I'm immediately identifiable as a leatherworker because I look like one, just as whenever I switch to blacksmith I'm immediately identifiable as a blacksmith because I look like one, and so on. The fact that underneath that glamour lies the same shared set is irrelevant to the appearance of each individual class.

This part is exactly the same as combat AF. Each job can be visually identifiable because they each have a unique look that no other job can use, and that look forms a significant part of the job's identity. Of course, many players choose to use other looks instead that aren't restricted that way, and will be able to use even more if our request for all non-AF gear to have it's job restrictions removed for glamour purposes is approved. But an identifiable look is available that represents what the job is about, and that part —the AF job restriction— should remain.

The other thing that makes it important (especially for DoH, but to some extent for all jobs) is that that appearance is what provides immersion for what you're doing. The actual crafting skills are the same for all classes as far as gameplay goes, but looking different helps me feel a difference between when I'm working leather, or hammering metal plates, or sewing, or cooking, etc. With combat jobs, you get different sets of skills with each one, and appearance is a secondary way of "getting into character" so to speak. But for crafting, appearance is the only way, and all the more important for that.

Not enough glamour plates, not for omni-crafter/omni-gatherers. Double, triple my plate count and I might give in.

We really need a minimum of 26 glamour plates —as many as there are jobs— for it to work properly, (preferably rounded up to 30 or more so we can include a few casual non-job-specific outfits as well). But in the meantime, at least we can pick a category or two in which to separate out glamours on a shared set. I picked DoH.

[AncientCrystal]

Eh, I'd like for the AF sets to at least stay job restricted, but give us set-specific glamours and that shouldn't be an issue. It just would be weird for a dark knight to be running around in the white mage set, yanno?

I agree with this. It's the whole point in having artifact armor.