So, how is Pagos?

[Nixxe]

Come now, don’t insult Dusk Vigil like that!
Honestly, we better be glad they didn’t put Snorecloak’s music in there. You wanna talk about face down on the keyboard... imagine Pagos with Snowcloak BGM. Zzzzzz.

Oh, it wasn't an insult toward Dusk Vigil. I actually quite like it. I just find that the music is just a very effective lullaby and it is very hard for me to stay awake in that dungeon as a result. Paired with the truly mind-numbing gameplay of Eureka Pagos, there's little doubt I'd literally fall asleep at my keyboard.

Also, just listening to shout and party chat makes it clear far more people are having to release when they die and lose XP as a result in Pagos than I ever saw in Anemos, likely because we don't all cluster around the train and groups are penalized for being helpful with the loss of the chain. I played Archeage for a while, which also has an XP penalty upon dying, but at least there that stopped once you hit level cap and you were therefore safe. Eureka really should have something similar if SE feels they simply can't compromise on the incredibly stupid death penalty, especially when they make obvious death traps, like the swarm of level 40 griffins around the level 35 quest item. I have never lost XP in Eureka because I play it very safe, but I've had to rely on random passers-by for a res here and there, and I'd be monumentally pissed if I was suddenly no longer 35. While I've been relatively tolerant of Pagos up to this point, suddenly being 34 again is the sort of thing that stands a good chance of making me walk out the door and not come back.

[HyoMinPark]

Oh, it wasn't an insult toward Dusk Vigil. I actually quite like it. I just find that the music is just a very effective lullaby and it is very hard for me to stay awake in that dungeon as a result. Paired with the truly mind-numbing gameplay of Eureka Pagos, there's little doubt I'd literally fall asleep at my keyboard.

Fair enough! I did have to be in voice with a friend to keep me from losing my mind the 6 hours I did Pagos day one. Between the mind-numbing gameplay of chaining and listening to the same music from Anemos on repeat, I was beginning to lose my mind.

Also, just listening to shout and party chat makes it clear far more people are having to release when they die and lose XP as a result in Pagos than I ever saw in Anemos, likely because we don't all cluster around the train and groups are penalized for being helpful with the loss of the chain.

This is concerning. Between this and the difficulties I’m hearing about when it comes to finding chain parties at lower levels, it certainly isn’t tempting me to even attempt to go back in there. I stopped at halfway through level 22 to 23, and it would take forever for me to find a group for even the Challenge Log at this point. If the NM train doesn’t return, I don’t see Pagos doing well in the future until it’s significantly nerfed.

I’m also wanting to echo what Laura said above: just because I want the train back doesn’t mean that I want to AFK. I frequently participated in Anemos with spawning NMs; when I was below level, I came on RDM just to raise those who died. When I hit 20, I began helping with Wraiths for Pazuzu. I just liked that I could chose to take a break and rest my wrist after several minutes of killing mobs and not have to worry about things like “dropping the chain and losing EXP”. Plus, /shout was fun and sociable in Anemos. The day I was in Pagos, it was nothing but salty; I can’t say what it must be like now, but I haven’t heard anything good about it.