We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Sigma-Astra]

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I already explained it...



Because someone who spent a large amount of time in Eureka is just as valuable as someone who spent a large amount of time raiding. Both should be rewarded equally if they both spent the time to get the rewards.

That's not explaining anything, that's just rehashing your idea/opinion that you think is factually correct and it's not after I just explained to you that Savage requires a buttload of RNG aspects in it that Eureka does not. Neither one can be comparable towards each other, not to mention Eureka doesn't even require the same amount of coordination and actual personal skill levels that Savage has. Both should not be equally rewarded when A) they're not even going with the same kind of grind or structure, B) Savage fluctuates in terms of the time it actually takes to get something for your chosen job in comparison towards Eureka, and C) the difference in player skills between the two content where Eureka doesn't require your BLM to be pushing out 5,000+ DPS.

You didn't explain anything, you're regurgitating your thoughts and hoping that I'll bend to you will.

I won't. Please, do better.

If all it took was fun to be the initiative for raiding as its own reward, then you'd be looking at a dead raiding scene all across this game as well as many other MMO's. Fun is a subjective element for everyone involved and while yes, I do find the raids fun, I'd like some better stuff to be in it that means only people who actually put the time and work, key word, work involved to earn it. I don't want caster DPS from Eureka who do 3,000 DPS carrying my i370 casting gloves when I've had to push 5,500 DPS or better in Savage to earn those.

Time involved =/= better reward than others. It's the skill and coordination involved within Savage. Time has nothing to do with it. The people in Savage earn those rights to have that gear, not because of how long they spent doing it, but because of the hoops of fire and brimstone that they had to jump through in order to get it. The actual bs, one shot KO'd mechanics that can cost an entire clean run and wipe it.

[ElazulHP]

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Then you have not been into Eureka obviously. The whole thing is RNG. RNG to get crystals, RNG to get light, RNG for the stupid NM's to spawn half the time it feels like, and a significant time investment. To keep the chains going in Pagos you also require a significant DPS output otherwise you lose the chain and have to start over again. As to what I what I would do with an equivalent weapon who cares? It should literally not matter at all if there is an alternative to raid tier if it also requires an equal investment in time.

The only thing I hear from you is "Waaah if a non-raider gets a reward equal to me my precious e-peen is going to shrivel up and fall off".

[Sigma-Astra]

Then you have not been into Eureka obviously. The whole thing is RNG. RNG to get crystals, RNG to get light, RNG for the stupid NM's to spawn half the time it feels like, and a significant time investment. To keep the chains going in Pagos you also require a significant DPS output otherwise you lose the chain and have to start over again. As to what I what I would do with an equivalent weapon who cares? It should literally not matter at all if there is an alternative to raid tier if it also requires an equal investment in time.

The only thing I hear from you is "Waaah if a non-raider gets a reward equal to me my precious e-peen is going to shrivel up and fall off".

Can you make a rebuttal that doesn't end in something I expect hearing from my nieces and not a grown adult on the forums...? Literally, you haven't attacked any points of my arguments and when I continue to find and poke holes in your own, you immediately curl into a ball and play the ad hominem because that's all you've got left. And please, don't say you need significant DPS output for the chain, because you don't. You don't need 5,500+ DPS in Eureka.

You're not looking to debate rationally or logically, you're just looking for people to give you validation that your opinions are right and to be told that you're right. :3

You waste your own time and skills in Eureka for your own rewards and I'll waste my time and skills in other content that matters for me. You don't need what I have and I don't need what you have. The time you spend in Eureka does not equal towards the missiles that I dodge in Guardian.

Btw, I'm a girl, I don't have an e-peen. I just have sass. Nice try.

[Magic-Mal]

That's what the OP was getting at actually

Uhh.... Are you really referring to me?

[WhyAmIHere]

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your whole argument's been comparable to "I spent 3 minutes microwaving a thing that my neighbor spent an hour cooking, and I don't like it that my food isn't just as good as theirs."

You can say "This person and I both spent X time doing Y, so we both should get Z," but what's really happening is "This person and I spent X time, them doing Y and I doing Y^1, so we both should get Z." If you honestly think life works like that... hoo boy.

Then you have not been into Eureka obviously. The whole thing is RNG. RNG to get crystals, RNG to get light, RNG for the stupid NM's to spawn half the time it feels like, and a significant time investment. To keep the chains going in Pagos you also require a significant DPS output otherwise you lose the chain and have to start over again. As to what I what I would do with an equivalent weapon who cares? It should literally not matter at all if there is an alternative to raid tier if it also requires an equal investment in time.

The only thing I hear from you is "Waaah if a non-raider gets a reward equal to me my precious e-peen is going to shrivel up and fall off".

Eureka is RNG, however, it is less RNG than a raid. Especially now with how bad Pagos is, compared to Anemos.
-RNG to get crystals
>>but when they do drop, you get them.
-RNG to get light
>>but when you get it, you get the exact amount you get
-RNG for NM spawn
>>but once it spawns, you know you're guaranteed a reward based on your participation level therein
-maintaining the chain in Pagos
>>look. Pagos is a dumpster fire but the fact that I'm even able to use it as a merit to debunk your argument is really astonishing.

Compare what you said to literally the rest of the game:
there's RNG for what dungeon you'll get in a roulette, RNG to what the treasure chests therein will contain, RNG for the mini/jumbo cactpot, RNG for the reasure maps in whether or not the aquapolis/uznair will spawn (and further RNG on each floor on if you can progress further), RNG to whether or not you'll get that HQ material from a node, an element of RNG in whether or not your craft will hit HQ or not (unless you put in the time to get that bar to 100% quality), and while not RNG strictly it sure is random the kinds of people you'll encounter in any given situation.

Just because this one instance of RNG does not meet what you most want out of the game does not make RNG in and of itself bad. It's a tool like anything else to keep people invested in stuff. Looping back to raid -v- Eureka, and expanding on my blurb above...

It's RNG what you'll get in those chests. and until lock out is removed the only guarantee you'll get any items is after clearing it X amount of times in Y amount of weeks is via the guarantee one-off page items. People have spent a week, even less than, and already have the Pagos Elemental weapon(s) they want. The time investment can be a direct 1:1 with the total amount of hours worked towards a goal, insofar that you can spend a set amount of time to achieve/attain whatever goal you wanted. the difference with Raiding is that those same hours are spread out over days, weeks, even months in some cases, whereas that same amount of time is not equally attributable to Eureka.

Sorta like if you put in the work, you can guarantee a craft will be HQ, else you leave it up to RNG. Funny how similar that one instance is to the whole debate you're making, but not seeing because you want to have your world affirmed when you're clearly wrong and unwilling to accept even a degree of error.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Then you have not been into Eureka obviously. The whole thing is RNG. RNG to get crystals, RNG to get light, RNG for the stupid NM's to spawn half the time it feels like, and a significant time investment. To keep the chains going in Pagos you also require a significant DPS output otherwise you lose the chain and have to start over again. As to what I what I would do with an equivalent weapon who cares? It should literally not matter at all if there is an alternative to raid tier if it also requires an equal investment in time.

The only thing I hear from you is "Waaah if a non-raider gets a reward equal to me my precious e-peen is going to shrivel up and fall off".

Conversely, all I hear from you is "I want the same ilvl as raiders because I deserve it! Even if the content I prefer is brain dead easy and requires no more than spamming buttons on target dummies that proc!"

Just because you put similar or more time into something, does not make them equal tasks. By that logic, spamming dungeons should also reward i370 gear.

[ElazulHP]

By that logic, spamming dungeons should also reward i370 gear.

To be honest I'd be perfectly ok with this if it was setup where there is a token that drops at a 5% drop rate or there about. Collect xx amount and unlock said gear. Would vitalize interest in dungeons - many of which are run once and then never run again unless going for glam or gets randomly picked from roulette. Which in no way devalues the raid gear like I've also previously said...

The answer is why do you care? Does it somehow invalidate the time you spent? Would you have not done the raids if there was alternative gear at the same level? If you truly enjoy raiding then the fun should be in the raiding itself right? All parties spent the same amount of time in their choice of activity, yet the rewards are quite disproportional. *shrug*

...and i'll keep repeating this because nobody has presented a convincing logical case for why raid gear needs to be exclusively a higher ilvl and that if something is as powerful then it somehow becomes devalued instead of simply being an alternative.

[WhyAmIHere]

...and i'll keep repeating this because nobody has presented a convincing logical case for why raid gear needs to be exclusively a higher ilvl and that if something is as powerful then it somehow becomes devalued instead of simply being an alternative.

Stop.

You are awful at trying to make a point. People have given you several times over reasons for why things are the way they are. You are incapable of simply going "I acknowledge this thing but still do not agree with it," instead resorting to "nobody is saying anything anything of value so all points being made are ignored." But ya know what? I'm up for something fun.

1The answer is why do you care? 2Does it somehow invalidate the time you spent? 3Would you have not done the raids if there was alternative gear at the same level? 4If you truly enjoy raiding then the fun should be in the raiding itself right? 5All parties spent the same amount of time in their choice of activity, yet the rewards are quite disproportional. *shrug*

1) why do you care? The content clearly doesn't appeal to you, so why do you care?
2) ...people are already complaining that the new The Rising event invalidates the time they spent in 1.0 by rewarding players with what soon used to be exclusive items. They feel like the time they spent will be invalidated by this... in spite of the other things 1.0 legacy players have to laud over.
3) funny thing. There's more than one piece of gear that's i370. Best in slot sets used a mixture of Raid gear and Tome gear (for the most part), and if you're a tank you can even count on spending gil to penta-meld newly released combat crafted accessories.
An extension of that point you make: did you farm each EX primal in ARR/HW for their respective mount, or did you wait until you could simply unsync it and do the content more easily? Have you done the same for SB's EX primal mounts, or will you wait til 5.0 to unsync them and do the content more easily? (My point, surprise surprise, is most people will want to do the thing if it's easier and it leads to the same reward. That is basic. Human. Nature.)
4) If you enjoy doing Eureka then spending time gaining elemental level and lockboxes should be fun in and of itself and offer nothing else, right?
5) Already dealt with this point.

Get over yourself.

[Seddrinth]

...and i'll keep repeating this because nobody has presented a convincing logical case for why raid gear needs to be exclusively a higher ilvl and that if something is as powerful then it somehow becomes devalued instead of simply being an alternative.

So why not just give everyone a set of 375 gear the moment their character is created? If you don't want to give people better gear because they cleared harder content then why have savage raids, trials, or dungeons? Let's just create a toon at level 70 with bis gear and we can all just roleplay and buy glamour from the cash shop. This way you will get your dream of getting top gear by doing Eureka and I can get my top level bis gear by chatting with my FC mates and doing dance emotes all day long at Limsa.

[OurMom]

...and i'll keep repeating this because nobody has presented a convincing logical case for why raid gear needs to be exclusively a higher ilvl

I want to make sure I'm understanding this.

Are you asking why raid gear that's given by completing the hardest fights at the time, is better than non raid gear?

If that's what you're asking that's because that's simply how mmorpgs work. You do the hard content to get the best gear which is more than fair. If you don't plan on raiding or doing anything that requires that tier of gear, why worry about it?

I haven't touching any raids this tier and I'm not worried about gear because I don't need it.