Redmages any good?

[Ryallen]

Looking at his gear, he's got himself loaded up with Strength materia, so it would appear that be actually believes himself.

Yeah, his ilevel 330-340 gear. Again, I'm positive he's a troll.

Never played one but they look cool, I'm wondering how their damage and support abilities stack up to other classes in a non raiding enviroment

RDM is a low damage class that supposedly boasts a good amount of utility, but 80% of that utility is located in its spell Verraise, which is a raise like what healers and SMN have. The only difference is that, the way that RDM is built with Dualcast, it gives RDM a combat rez whenever it wants as opposed to once per minute that healers often have. Hypothetically, RDM is useful in pugs because it can compensate for jackasses running into AoE circles. But in a practical setting my Verraise spell is woefully underused. Yeah, you have your odd healer who thinks the glowing circle gives candy but usually people are capable enough to dodge attacks or avoid drawing too much aggro. I can count on one hand the amount of times that I've used Verraise to rez someone in a 24 man raid and even less times that I've saved a dungeon with RDM.

Its other two utility abilities are Vercure, a 350 potency heal, and Embolden, a 10% up physical damage up buff with a decay. Vercure is even less used than Verraise, as healers rarely don't have it under control. The only time you'd ever use it is if the tank is low enough on health and the healer is either stupid or dead and they can't/won't heal in time. Embolden has a 2 minute cooldown, similar to Manafication. If you don't know what Manafication is, it's an ability that doubles the amount of mana you have in your bars and automatically ends the cooldown timer for Corps a Corps and Displacement. This means that you're supposed to use Embolden at the same time that you use Manafication in order to give yourself more DPS. The issue here is that the DPS you gain and give aren't nearly as useful as you think. The decay on Embolden reduces the damage up you gained by 2% every 4 seconds. Which means that at 16 seconds of Embolden's duration you're now dealing 8% more damage as opposed to 10%. At 12 seconds it's 6% and so on. The cooldown on Embolden is so long and the damage it gives is only worthwhile for so long that Embolden has been more or less ignored for anything other than increasing RDM damage when Manafication is up. Which is only exacerbated by the fact that Embolden only increases physical damage. Any casters you have in your party, including your healers, will not get the damage buff at all.

Is RDM bad? No, of course not. I main it, if it was truly awful I wouldn't play it. But it *is* a class that needs severe rebalancing, because every other class can do what it can do only better, especially SMN. Not as badly as SAM but it does need something to make it stand out as something more than a "Rezmage."

[KDSilver]

Again OP don't listen to the elites..

Rdm has one unique way to perform its rotation, and additionnals support tools.
Knowing that isn't being elitist.

If OP has to ignore someone here, it's you for saying pure nonsense.
So please stop that.

[Vorx]

Well while these "experts" continue to rip on me and proving my point, i'll address this back to you OP. If you need help figuring out a style for yourself with RDM i'm more then happy to answer your questions and give tips to the things i've found out about it. I've dissected this class from top to bottom and found numerous ways to play it. My style might not be best for you but RDM is the best class to experiment with.
You can contact me here in message form or on PSN. Just be easier that way, less know-it-alls trying to drive down my post as well.

[Dualgunner]

Teach me the ways of the STR RDM, Master Vorx.

Allow me to humbly throw my hat into this ring as well. Message me on discord and I can teach you all I know about RDM. I cannot claim to be as much of a genius at the job as Vorx, but I do like to think I'm not a bad RDM by any stretch.

[KDSilver]

We aren't prooving anything.
Giving bad advices to new player is just wrong and confusing them for nothing.

So stop.

[drgonzo]

Well while these "experts" continue to rip on me and proving my point, i'll address this back to you OP. If you need help figuring out a style for yourself with RDM i'm more then happy to answer your questions and give tips to the things i've found out about it. I've dissected this class from top to bottom and found numerous ways to play it. My style might not be best for you but RDM is the best class to experiment with.
You can contact me here in message form or on PSN. Just be easier that way, less know-it-alls trying to drive down my post as well.

Ok I was right on both accounts he is huffing ether and is 100% clueless.

[Shiroe]

maybe he didnt take the ninjas gear or expierince into account, when comparing them or some orher neglect.., can happen

just hope when je posts such in the future, he should post it like "I expirienced this" rather than "this is a fact"

even if the ninja comparison doesn't seem right, his overall mesage was "Rdm is very flexible, and worth experimenting with", which I do agree on

[HyoMinPark]

Again OP don't listen to the elites..

It isn't elitism to call you out for giving inherently bad advice - in this thread or the other one. Jobs all have a right way to play them, and anything deviating from that - in this game, at least - is incorrect and unoptimal. People are here trying to give a returning player decent advice on RDM, not advocate for them to play the job in a way so against the grain that it would gut their personal performance.

[Dualgunner]

even if the ninja comparison doesn't seem right, his overall mesage was "Rdm is very flexible, and worth experimenting with", which I do agree on

The issue is, the scope of "flexibility" which he was saying was at ice mage level. Melee only RDM is arguably even worse than ice mage.

[Kidria]

Well while these "experts" continue to rip on me and proving my point, i'll address this back to you OP. If you need help figuring out a style for yourself with RDM i'm more then happy to answer your questions and give tips to the things i've found out about it. I've dissected this class from top to bottom and found numerous ways to play it. My style might not be best for you but RDM is the best class to experiment with.
You can contact me here in message form or on PSN. Just be easier that way, less know-it-alls trying to drive down my post as well.

You've dissected your own arse if you can say RDM can out-melee a NIN.