Redmages any good?

[Ryallen]

OP, RDM has always been a jack of all trades class. Its listed as a range class but can easily be turned into a melee style class with the right materia. RDM also has a good AOE output with Scatter, Moulete, and another skill with helps out a lot in dungeon runs.

Tons of people play RDM "untraditionally" or differently then some of the elite players suggest, but even if you don't focus on the play style they suggest you still put out decent DPS and the AOE always help.
With the right materia an RDM can hold their own with a ninja in melee even before the power up the spells give them. Its a great class for anyone who likes to play their own way. You can literally play three different styles, melee, range, or support healer.

If anything else it never hurts to try.

Can you support this claim with evidence? Such as what you do in melee to make RDM a melee class? Because none of what you said it true at all.

[Dualgunner]

OP, RDM has always been a jack of all trades class. Its listed as a range class but can easily be turned into a melee style class with the right materia. RDM also has a good AOE output with Scatter, Moulete, and another skill with helps out a lot in dungeon runs.

Tons of people play RDM "untraditionally" or differently then some of the elite players suggest, but even if you don't focus on the play style they suggest you still put out decent DPS and the AOE always help.
With the right materia an RDM can hold their own with a ninja in melee even before the power up the spells give them. Its a great class for anyone who likes to play their own way. You can literally play three different styles, melee, range, or support healer.

If anything else it never hurts to try.

This post gave me a good laugh. There's no world where a RDM's unpowered melee attacks would even come close to a NIN's melee attacks. There's no world where you can build a melee-only RDM lmao.

[Kidria]

OP, RDM has always been a jack of all trades class. Its listed as a range class but can easily be turned into a melee style class with the right materia. RDM also has a good AOE output with Scatter, Moulete, and another skill with helps out a lot in dungeon runs.

Tons of people play RDM "untraditionally" or differently then some of the elite players suggest, but even if you don't focus on the play style they suggest you still put out decent DPS and the AOE always help.
With the right materia an RDM can hold their own with a ninja in melee even before the power up the spells give them. Its a great class for anyone who likes to play their own way. You can literally play three different styles, melee, range, or support healer.

If anything else it never hurts to try.

RDM was a jack of all trades in other games, but in the actual 'jack of all trades' sense. Our non-powered up melee potency will never match a melee unless that melee is severely undergeared/underleveled, and our Vercure potency is not high enough to be a full on support healer for longer than a minute or two. MP would also be a problem. I don't get where you think any sort of materia puts us at any sort of melee advantage. We stack the same materia as any DPS (primarily, crit) and it doesn't help our non-enchanted melee output. Not only that, you're gimping yourself hard if you're not using Verflare/holy.

There are plenty of "untraditional" ways to play any class, I'm sure, but your suggestions just aren't feasibly or reasonably possible within the RDM kit. RDM is ranged for gauge, melee to expire that gauge, and heals/rez utility clutch. It does all three but you can't dedicate it to one. That's the whole point of 'jack of all trades--master of none.'

Also, if a RDM can go toe to toe with a NIN in melee without Enchanted in equal gear/level, I'll eat my keyboard and then taunt my sister (as she mains a NIN).

[drgonzo]

Yeah the guy saying a rdm can match a ninja in melee is either huffing ether or is just clueless. Rdm is a fun class and has a fairly low skill floor. They do decent dps, more then brds and mch but less then next ninja lol. If ya don’t think so just check ff logs and compare the numbers. Overall it’s a fun class that is super easy to use

[Vorx]

Again OP don't listen to the elites..

[Kidria]

Again OP don't listen to the elites..

It's not even elites telling you what's up. I'm hardly "elite" and I'm saying you're not being realistic about the job. The way you describe a "melee-oriented" RDM you're cutting out 75% of it's abilities and kit. There is absolutely no way it can become comparable to any melee when ignoring 75% of it's abilities. If you're not enchanting your melee rotation, you're ignoring 9 spells and 2 self-buffs, including essentially our party buff, because it buffs magical damage, which iirc your melee combo only becomes magical damage when it's Enchanted.

OP, there's plenty of ways to play RDM and it's a fun class, but it is not a replacement melee or healer. It's a caster DPS with progressive utility and a play mechanic that mimics a caster/melee motion.

[Ryallen]

It's not even elites telling you what's up. I'm hardly "elite" and I'm saying you're not being realistic about the job. The way you describe a "melee-oriented" RDM you're cutting out 75% of it's abilities and kit. There is absolutely no way it can become comparable to any melee when ignoring 75% of it's abilities. If you're not enchanting your melee rotation, you're ignoring 9 spells and 2 self-buffs, including essentially our party buff, because it buffs magical damage, which iirc your melee combo only becomes magical damage when it's Enchanted.

OP, there's plenty of ways to play RDM and it's a fun class, but it is not a replacement melee or healer. It's a caster DPS with progressive utility and a play mechanic that mimics a caster/melee motion.

I think he's trolling. I rememer there was one guy who went around claiming that the best RDM rotation utilized the role action Break.

[Kidria]

I think he's trolling. I rememer there was one guy who went around claiming that the best RDM rotation utilized the role action Break.

I honestly had to sit here and remember wtf Break was LOL

[Dualgunner]

I think he's trolling. I rememer there was one guy who went around claiming that the best RDM rotation utilized the role action Break.

Iirc he's the same guy who "built" his RDM for aoe. Never explained how, but he has a good (bad) tactic of othering people who disagree with him as big bad "elites" and not backing up his statements.

I'm curious, Vorx. What materia make melee RDM viable?

[Darkstride]

I think he's trolling. I rememer there was one guy who went around claiming that the best RDM rotation utilized the role action Break.

Looking at his gear, he's got himself loaded up with Strength materia, so it would appear that be actually believes himself.